Living in Vehicles as a Refuge

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This episode is about living in vehicles as a refuge.
It features a conversation with two women with severe MCS. They have had to make difficult decisions to live in their vehicles because synthetic and scented chemicals that many people use make them very ill.
You'll hear Maggie, who chose to use a pseudonym, and Evangeline Elmendorf Greene. Both women live in Arizona in the western United States, sometimes driving to neighbouring states where they are not exposed to chemicals and forest fire smoke.
Maggie and Evangeline talk about:

• Social isolation that comes with living in vehicles.
• The challenge of finding vehicles that allow them to be healthy.
• How they are among countless other environmental refugees whose illnesses are not well understood and remain stigmatized.

It was moving hearing Maggie and Evangeline’s stories. I’m very grateful to them for sharing their experiences. I hope you enjoy the conversation and find it of benefit.

Thanks so much for listening.
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1. Living in Vehicles as a Refuge (00:00:00)

2. Intro to the episode (00:00:05)

3. Maggie introduces herself and talks about irmproved health after years living in vehicles. (00:03:26)

4. Maggie talks about why she chose to use a pseudonym for the conversation because of stigma people with MCS face. (00:05:06)

5. Evangeline recalls her history living in vehicles. (00:06:39)

6. Evangline talks about how Maggie and her know each other. (00:07:38)

7. Maggie discusses how she developed MCS and first began living in vehicles. (00:08:53)

8. Maggie talks more about what led her to live in vehicles. (00:12:28)

9. Evangeline recalls how she developed MCS. (00:16:16)

10. Evangeline talks about her first time living in a vehicle and places she has lived in vehicles. (00:20:40)

11. Maggie explains how living in vehicles has allowed her to improve her health. (00:24:54)

12. Maggie explains how living in vehicles has allowed her to improve her health. (00:24:54)

13. Maggie talks about the social isolation and struggles she has faced living in vehicles. (00:26:58)

14. Evangeline talks about the isolation also. (00:30:04)

15. Maggie talks about how she has deal with new car smell. (00:32:57)

16. Evangeline discusses new car smell and other issues with vehicles she has lived in. (00:34:36)

17. Maggie encourages people considering living in vehicles to explore online forums and groups focused on the topic. (00:37:16)

18. Evangeline encourages people to spend time in vehicles and test the HVAC system before buying them. (00:38:02)

19. Maggie discusses how people with more financial resources may have a different or easier time living in vehicles. (00:39:30)

20. Maggie talks about safety issues and overcoming feelings of fear as a woman. (00:41:16)

21. Evangeline also talks about overcoming fear and safety issues as a woman living in her vehicle in remote places. (00:43:03)

22. Aaron concludes the episodes and reminds listeners where to find the podcast online. (00:46:14)