How to be more like Abe Lincoln, with Jonathan Shapiro

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The key to living a legendary life is to strive to be more like Abe Lincoln. At least, that is what my guest this week, Jonathan Shapiro, says is the key. Join us for a conversation about the principles of the great Abraham Lincoln, and how following seven steps can help us all lead a more extraordinary life.
We talk about stoicism, storytelling, humor, river raft rides, the heart of American culture, and the importance of love. All of which lead us to look at how Abraham Lincoln, perhaps our greatest President of all time, built a blueprint that might save the soul of America.
Jonathan Shapiro has written and produced some of television’s most iconic legal dramas, including HBO’s The Undoing, Amazon Prime’s Goliath, and NBC Peacock’s The Calling. An Emmy and Humanitas Award-winner, Shapiro’s other television credits include Peacock’s Mr. Mercedes, based on the Stephen King novels, NBC’s series The Blacklist, FOX’s Justice, NBC’s Life, and the ABC series Boston Legal, The Practice, and Big Sky. His first play, Sisters in Law, premiered in 2019. He is the author of three books, including the novel Deadly Force (2015), and the memoir Lawyers, Liars, and the Art of Storytelling (2014). He is currently an adjunct law professor at the UCLA School of Law. Prior to becoming a writer, Shapiro practiced law for 12 years in the U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division, as an Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California, and of counsel at Kirkland & Ellis. A graduate of the University of California Berkeley School of Law, he earned his undergraduate and graduate degrees in history from Harvard University and was a Rhodes Scholar at Oriel College, Oxford University.
To buy his latest book:
How to Be Abe Lincoln: Seven Steps to Leading a Legendary Life

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1. Emulating Abraham Lincoln's Legendary Leadership (00:00:00)

2. Faith and Facts in American Society (00:06:18)

3. Stoicism and Self-Improvement (00:16:06)

4. Lincoln's Lessons on Love and Unity (00:30:14)

5. Leaving Feedback and Support for Weestatpod (00:43:05)