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Feeling overwhelmed by the relentless attack on American Democracy by the Religious Right? Welcome to Unreasonable: sane conversations for a country that's lost its friggin' mind. But Unreasonable is more than a podcast. It’s the start of a movement to reverse the inexorable rise of religious fanaticism taking over our government and our lives, on issues from public education, to women’s reproductive health, to the mainstreaming of loud-and-proud racism. Here we not only learn together what ...
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Listen to this conversation as Doug, his wife (Sam), his mom (Sueann), and his 4 children (Charlotte, Graham, Benjamin, and Abraham) unpack their Israel experience on their last night in Israel. Sitting around the table in the air BnB in Tel Aviv they discuss some of their favorite moments, favorite foods, as well as answer some questions like, did…
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Early last week we recorded an interview with illustrator Jesse Duquette. Then we got the word over the weekend: Meta not only shut his account down, but permanently deleted its posts and eradicated his community of over 200,000+ followers. Mark Zuckerberg’s Metaminions decided Duquette’s incisive and hard-hitting cartoons were just too much for In…
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Pesach and Doug sit down with Stephen & Veronica Jenks in person in Jerusalem. Stephen and Veronica recount the Jewish-Christian relationship from their vantage point with Eagles Wings, and the dynamic shift that has taken since October 7th. Veronica toured the carnage and results of the terrorist attack a year later at a kibbutz, the nova festival…
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After Doug gets the inside scoop on Pesach’s recent tour of the U.S., Elliot Chodoff joins us to break down everything happening in Israel's war against Hezbollah. The situation is fluid and there is a huge amount of disinformation; this is an opportunity to get authentic information and deep analysis from a true Israeli military expert. DO NOT MIS…
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Pierce Watkins is a Zen-master of epistemology. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, epistemology is “the theory of knowledge and understanding, esp. with regard to its methods, validity and scope, and the distinction between justified belief and opinion.” In other words: how do we come to know what we know, and believe what we believe, whet…
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Doug sits down with his wife and kids as they are two weeks away from joining almost 100 pilgrims for Eagles Wings Solidarity Tour to Israel. This is the kids' first big international trip and comes at a crucial time in Israel’s history. Doug asks them a series of questions and they answer honestly around the dining room table. Listen in and find o…
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Pesach and Doug sit down with Asher Guedalia, as he shares the story of his brother Yosef’s heroism on October 7th. Just hours after Hamas rockets were launched and terrorists began infiltrating Israel on that fateful day, Yosef responded like so many reservists by reporting to his unit. He and his fellow soldiers rushed to one of the kibbutzim alo…
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Pesach and Doug sit down with the former United States Ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, and get his thoughts about Israel, the future of the Abraham accords, and the role of scripture in geopolitics. He also talks about his just-released book, One Jewish State: The Last, Best Hope to Resolve the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, and the importance…
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Just when you thought you had a handle on all of the Christian Nationalist efforts to reshape America into their biblical paradise (think New Apostolic Reformation, Seven Mountains Dominionism, Jericho Marches, The Federalist Society, The Heritage Foundation, TurningPointUSA, Project 2025), along comes Ziklag, a secret society of mega millionaires …
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Doug and Pesach host Rabbi Elie Mischel of Israel365, author of the new book "The War Against the Bible," where he explains that the current alliance between the atheist Left and Jihadist Islam is actually a fulfilment of Biblical prophecy. Who is Esau in the book of Obadiah? How does Daniel's vision describe what we see in the headlines? Rabbi Mis…
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After a long long week of activity in Chicago, our friends Sarah Levin (Secular Strategies) and Hemant Mehta (Friendly Atheist), graciously agreed to connect for an exclusive conversation for Unreasonable listeners, recapping what they saw and heard at the Democratic National Convention, especially from a secular perspective, since over 30 percent …
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Pesach and Doug sit down with economic strategist and author David P. Goldman. David shares his inspiring religious journey from his days as a non-practicing Jew from a liberal family, to his life today as an observant Modern Orthodox scholar with a special expertise in the works of Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik. The conversation pivots to his artic…
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The Black Church is as American as anything you can name. For so many, the promise of a glorious afterlife gave, and gives, succor to a lifetime of hardship here on Earth. The influence of its sacred music is directly linked to the secular music we all listen to and enjoy today, from Jazz to Soul to R&B to Rock nd Roll. And for that we can be grate…
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Whether you're Jewish, Christian, or Muslim, the end of all things revolves around Jerusalem. Perhaps different people have different reasons, but all eyes remain on Jerusalem. Just before Tisha B’Av, Pesach and Doug sat down with John Enarson of Cry for Zion to discuss the importance of the rebuilding of the Temple... for Christians, as well as Je…
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Doug and Pesach sit down with journalist, author, and activist Asra Nomani. Asra tells her story of growing up in a traditional Muslim family, becoming a renowned journalist, and experiencing the horrors of extremist Islam up close when her dear friend Daniel Pearl was murdered. We also discussed Asra's fearless work exposing the people and organiz…
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Ten weeks ago Joe Biden was still the Democratic candidate for president and Donald Trump was…well…still Donald Trump (and he’s only become a more extreme version of himself since). Yet somehow, these two — one, a decent career civil servant, the other a loathsome career self-servant — were neck-and-neck in polling. And Democrats were losing their …
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What happens when a commemoration of an event from thousands of years ago suddenly acquires new and immediate relevance? That was the experience of many Jews in Israel when they fasted last week on the 17th of Tammuz - the day that the Romans breached the walls of Jerusalem about 1950 years ago. Of course, after October 7th, "breaching the walls" h…
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With Pastor Doug unavailable this week, Pesach sits down with Maj Elliot Chodoff for an in-depth update on the progress of Israel’s war for survival. Is Hamas almost gone? How much damage has Israel caused to Hezbollah? What are the implications of the current US political chaos? All this and more on this timely episode.…
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Last month, David and Christina attended the annual Secular Student Alliance conference, held this year in sweltering Little Rock, Arkansas. It's a gathering of college students from campuses around the country seeking community and inspiration. That opportunity is especially important at a time when, being reason-based, one feels increasingly outn…
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Pesach and Doug catch up on a busy news cycle as Pesach takes in the Republican Convention in Milwaukee. They begin with a discussion of the terrible assassination attempt on President Trump in Pennsylvania, and then offer their hot takes on Trump's selection for Vice President, Senator J.D. Vance. The conversation concludes with an in depth discus…
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Unfortunately, each of us is currently watching a very old story play out again in 2024: the worldwide rise in antisemitic propaganda, antisemitic beliefs, and antisemitic actions. Pesach and Doug sit down with Izabella Tabarovsky to discuss how the current wave has its origins as Soviet-backed antisemitism and Marxist-led antizionism. It's not eno…
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This was an especially nutty week in America. And none of it had to do with a particular televised debate or even the Supreme Court’s ruling on presidential immunity. This week the state of Louisiana mandated that The Ten Commandments be displayed in every one of its public school classrooms. In Oklahoma, in the wake of the state’s Supreme Court de…
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Doug and Pesach sit down with Markus McFolling to hear his Israel journey. Markus speaks to hundreds of thousands of Gen Z'ers every year as he crisscrosses the nation from high schools to camps to conferences. Israel was never a part of his theology or vocabulary until a trip to Israel in 2022 with Eagles Wings. On that trip he was touched deeply …
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Pesach and Doug sit down with Josh Hammer, Senior Editor at Large at Newsweek and host of the Josh Hammer Show to discuss his faith and journey. As the conversation takes shape Josh explains that it was a trip to Israel and his politics that ultimately lead him to be more religiously observant after being raised in a Reform Jewish home. His unique …
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Kadida Kenner and her organization The New Pennsylvania Project — modeled after Stacy Abrams’ New Georgia Project — is focused on engaging with and registering voters in communities whose doors are rarely knocked. NPP is doing a tremendous job across the Commonwealth, and her insights into the current mindset of voters, particular minority voters 3…
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In this episode, Pesach flies solo and has a conversation with one of America's leading academic theologians, Professor Gerald McDermott. The topic is the long-held Christian position that the church has replaced the Jewish people as God's covenant people. Prof. McDermott explains how this anti-Jewish theology began, why it is wrong, and how Christ…
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Pesach and Doug deal with a busy news cycle, first discussing the heroic hostage rescue by the IDF, and then analyzing what that operation might mean for future hostage operations. Afterwards they pivot to Benny Gantz’s withdrawal from the unity government. What are its ramifications? Will there be new elections anytime soon, and would that be good…
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In this special edition of Unreasonable, guest host Olivia Goudeau, national organizing manager of the Secular Student Alliance (SSA), talks to Washington Post columnist and author Kate Cohen about her new book, “We Of Little Faith: Why I Stopped Pretending to Believe (and Maybe You Should Too)." Neither fit the conservative invention of “angry ath…
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Doug and Pesach are joined by our good friend, military analyst and res. Maj. Elliot Chodoff. As always, Elliot brings us up to date with the progress of Israel's war against the Hamas. What is the meaning of what we've learned about Egypt's complicity in arming Hamas? What effect is US pressure having on the war? And what about the escalation of h…
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Pesach and Doug sit down with Pastor Micah Wood to hear his incredible journey from being a pastor who, for a decade, was theologically opposed to Israel, due to the influence of prominent theologian NT Wright and a replacement theology upbringing, to now being an ardent Israel supporter and Zionist working for Eagles Wings. Listen in to find out h…
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Elizabeth and Gabe Rutan-Ram had fostered numerous children before they decided to adopt one, a child from Florida identified with a disability. If they were a monied couple, they could have gone through a private adoption agency spending $30,000 or more. Instead, and more in keeping with their means, they opted to take their state’s mandatory fost…
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Pesach and Doug sit down with Joshua Waller from the Israel Guys to talk about the first Annual Israel Summit being canceled by the Sonesta Hotel in Nashville due to violent threats made by Pro-Hamas/Anti-American thugs. What our enemies meant for evil, God has used for our good. With the help of Gov. Bill Lee, Dave Ramsey, and the Nashville Police…
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In the House of Representatives there are a handful of secular politicians (some more out than others) who work toward enacting laws uninspired by providence and more by simple reason and innate human morality. Jared Huffman is a congressman from California. A former Mormon preacher and now self-defined humanist, he co-founded and co-chairs (along …
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Erica Coray and Zach Pekelis are attorneys working to limit the deleterious impacts from religious accommodations. Their SRF panel “Past, Present and Upcoming Battles Over Health Mandates and Religious Accommodations” examined the law governing religious exemptions from public health requirements and the impact these cases have on the future of rel…
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Genocide is a term flying around the social media space and on the nightly news. Pesach and Doug sit down with journalist Ben Poser to talk about the concept of genocide and all that is associated with it. Ben gives a modern history of ignored genocide, and slavery taking place in Africa predominantly in Muslim countries. He looks at the Rwandan Ge…
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Erin Reed is a transgender woman, public speaker, journalist and activist who tracks anti-LGBTQ+ legislation around the world, tirelessly reporting on issues concerning the trans community. Her immensely influential TikTok account has over 445,000 followers and her daily Substack, Erin In The Morning, has more than 54,000 subscribers. On twitter al…
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On June 12, 2016, life changed for Brandon Wolf. He crouched in a bathroom while a gunman opened fire at Orlando’s Pulse Nightclub, killing his best friends, Drew Leinonen & Juan Guerrero, and 47 others. Rather than be swallowed by the anger and fear of tragedy, Brandon set out to honor the victims’ legacies with action. In the immediate aftermath …
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By his own definition, Todd Stiefel is weathly. He just is. That’s not a judgment, just a fact. When his family business was sold and the non-compete clause kicked in, he was left financially secure and without a career. His years of preparation to lead the company were rendered unnecessary. One day he was Chief Strategy Officer of Stiefel Laborato…
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Pesach and Doug discuss Doug’s recent trip to Washington DC for the national day of prayer, his experience walking through a Gaza encampment on George Washington University, and an encounter with protesters outside the Israeli Embassy. The conversation then pivots to the biblical warning in Joel 3 to not divide God’s land and how there is not a Bib…
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Tim Whitaker is a true believer. The creator and facilitator of The New Evangelicals podcast, Tim advocates for the marginalized within the church, exploring the full depth and breadth of Christian faith traditions, and seeks to hold toxic churches and their leaders accountable. So if you’re appalled by watching the America you thought you knew vio…
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Dr. Anthea Butler is Geraldine R. Segal Professor in American Social Thought, and chair of the department of Religious Studies at the University of Pennsylvania. A historian of African American and American religion, her research and writing spans African American religion and history, Nationalism, race, politics, Evangelicalism, gender and sexuali…
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Pesach and Doug sit down with the new Executive Director of the Philos Project, Luke Moon, and the conversation takes some interesting twists and turns. They start off with a discussion of the pro-Hamas protests at Columbia University, and a recent rally where Luke helped lead 5000 Christians in a pro-Israel march on its campus. As the conversation…
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We're going to assume that if you're listening to this, Jamie Raskin needs no introduction. He's an icon among progressives and the secular movement. He co-chairs the Congressional Freethought Caucus with Rep. Jared Huffman from California. Even if you're not especially politically engaged, you couldn't have missed him as a forceful and learned voi…
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Ani Zonneveld is a writer, singer/songwriter, and founder and president of Muslims for Progressive Values (MPV), an international human rights organization that advocates for social justice and equality for all, and supports freedom of expression and of conscience, women’s rights and, as an ally, LGBTQ rights. She spoke with Unreasonable about the …
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Like just about everyone we know, Jason Berlin woke up one morning in November 2016 and realized he had to change his life. Being a writer for a reality comedy TV show was all fun and games. But real life had taken a dark turn with the election of a new president who, let’s just say, was not Hillary Clinton. He became an activist. And now, his gras…
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Doug and Pesach get caught up on Pesach's recent activities in Washington, D.C. and discuss the recent massive attack by the Iranian regime on Israel. How did so many missiles fail to inflict any significant damage? What is going on inside Iran? And what does this mean for Israel in the days ahead? Join us in praising God for His hand of protection…
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LIVE FROM SRF is a new limited series from Unreasonable, recorded at the 2024 Summit for Religious Freedom in Washington, D.C., April 13-16. We kick off the series with the event's host, Rachel Laser, Americans United for Separation of Church and State’s formidable president and CEO. In this conversation she sets the tone for the amazing and illumi…
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With this episode, we begin a four-part series focused on those individuals and groups around the country who are leading the secular ground game. Some are facing tsunamis of resistance. Others are making headway. But the brighter the light on their efforts the easier to find and join them. You can contribute to their work, get your hands dirty, hi…
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Pesach and Doug sit down with Dr. Tricia Miller to discuss a disturbing trend among many Christians whom you’d expect to be ardent supporters of Israel, yet who are neutral towards Israel at best, and antisemitic at worst. Some major denominations and publications seem to support Israel enough to stay out of the headlines but not enough to make a d…
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