Hold or Fold | Ben Jones and Steve Girling

The Secret Life of Prisons podcast

Ben Jones and Steve Girling are the hosts of Hold or Fold, a brand-new podcast from the Prison Radio Association that supports people who suffer from gambling addiction.

Ben and Steve both went to prison for offences linked to their gambling. After release, both men realised that there were gaps in screening for gambling addiction in prison and in the provision of services for recovery. They worked with the Prison Radio Association to start Hold or Fold as a programme on National Prison Radio. Thanks to funding from GambleAware, that programme continues to broadcast on the radio into prison cells and it's now available to listeners on the outside as a brand-new podcast.

Steve co-founded and runs Reframe Coaching, which offers support and guidance for those affected by problem gambling.

Ben has started a recovery service in Nottingham called TimeOut, which is part of the charity Double Impact.

If you're affected by gambling harms, there are a number of organisations who can help. Here are links to just a few:

• Gordon Moody
• Reframe Coaching
• Gamlearn
• Gamfam
• Gamcare
• Bet Know More
• Breakeven
• Gambler’s Anonymous

Presenters: Phil Maguire – Chief Executive, Prison Radio Association Paula Harriott – Chief Executive, Unlock

Producer: Andrew Wilkie Assistant Producer: Faye Dunn

The Prison Radio Association is a charity that runs National Prison Radio, the world’s first national radio station for people serving prison sentences. We employ people in prison to develop their skills, find their best voices and help them discover ways to lead crime-free lives after release.

To make a donation please visit prison.radio/donate.

Registered Charity in England & Wales 1114760