Flip the Script: The Order of the Phoenix Doesn't Arrive to the Ministry of Magic in Time | Dumbledore and Harry dead, Horcruxes found earlier, Lose faith in Ministry

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In this episode, we discuss what would happen if the Order didn't arrive to the Ministry in time in the Order of the Phoenix. Enjoy!
Topics/Summary:
· 2:08 Harry and his friends will be killed. The Death Eaters have a lot of leverage on Harry to hand over the prophecy and in doing so hand them the victory. If the Order hadn’t arrived a moment after that, it is very possible that they would have promptly killed Harry and his friends and moved on.

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· 8:39 Voldemort would take control of the Ministry. Fudge arrives after Dumbledore fights Voldemort and he sees Voldemort standing in a pile of sand before he disappears. Voldemort would have had all the time in the world to kill Fudge and the others that showed up and take control of the Ministry ahead of schedule without the opposition from the Order.

· 13:54 Death Eaters would be on the loose. In the Deathly Hallows, there were no limits on the abilities of Death Eaters and their freedom. They could walk down the street and kill whoever they wanted because Voldemort controlled the Ministry. With this jumpstart to his plan, this would certainly become the case much earlier.

· 18:49 Harry would go out to find horcruxes far earlier. Voldemort’s timeline is moved up from this major victory, so Dumbledore would have no choice but to send Harry out into the world to find the horcruxes earlier than we know he does in the story. Dumbledore would have no choice after Voldemort forced his hand. Harry wouldn’t be as successful because Dumbledore took the time to show him how to find and destroy them, and without those lessons, Harry wouldn’t find nearly as many as quickly.

· 24:19 The public would lose faith in the Ministry. If Voldemort returns, enters the Ministry, kills a bunch of students, and walks out, I don’t know how much faith everyone could have in them after that. Especially if Voldemort managed to kill Fudge and install a minister of their own, there would be no world in which the public would still be hopeful that the Ministry could do something.

· 27:06 Would Dumbledore arrive and survive as planned? He would arrive and survive as the story is written, but because Voldemort’s timeline is moved up, he would send out his minions to kill Dumbledore at Hogwarts earlier. He gains his foothold in the wizarding world and would use that to move forward as far and quickly as possible.

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1. Intro (00:00:00)

2. Harry and his friends would be killed (00:02:08)

3. Voldemort would take control of the Ministry (00:08:39)

4. Death Eaters would be on the loose (00:13:54)

5. Harry would go out to find horcruxes far earlier (00:18:49)

6. The public would lose faith in the Ministry (00:24:19)

7. Would Dumbledore arrive and survive as planned? (00:27:06)