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The Application Security Podcast

Steve Wilson -- The Developer's Playbook for Large Language Model Security: Building Secure AI Applications

The Application Security Podcast

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Links:
The Developer’s Playbook for Large Language Model Security by Steve Wilson

Find Steve on LinkedIn

Previous Episodes:
Steve Wilson -- OWASP Top Ten for LLMs
Steve Wilson and Gavin Klondike -- OWASP Top Ten for LLM Applications Release

Two people Steve recommends you look up:
Chris Voss, Former FBI Negotiator and author of “Never Split the Difference”

Arshan Dabirsiaghi

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➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast
➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast
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Javan Rasokat and Andra Lezza -- When Chatbots Go Rogue - Lessons Learned from Building and Defending LLM Applications 47:31

5 weeks ago47:31

47:31

Andra Lezza and Javan Rasokat discuss the complexities of securing AI and LLM applications. With years of experience in Application Security (AppSec), Andra and Javan share their journey and lessons from their DEF CON talk on building and defending LLMs. They explore critical vulnerabilities, prompt injection, hallucinations, and the importance of data security. This discussion sheds light on the evolving landscape of AI and LLM security, offering practical advice for developers and security professionals alike. Javan’s blog article: Adversarial Misuse of Generative AI Javan’s recommendation for the TLDR newsletter Andra's book recommendation: The Cuckoo’s Egg by Cliff Stoll FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Jim Routh -- The CISO Transition to the rest of life 49:36

6 weeks ago49:36

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Former CISO Jim Routh discusses his perspective on retirement and career fulfillment in cybersecurity. Rather than viewing retirement as simply stopping work, Routh describes his three-filter approach: working only with people he respects and admires, doing only work he finds fulfilling, and controlling when he works. He shares valuable lessons learned about which post-retirement opportunities truly bring satisfaction and explains why he avoids certain roles. Routh emphasizes the importance of cybersecurity professionals taking ownership of their career development, recommending they focus on developing two specific skills annually rather than using tenure to guide career moves. The article written by Jim, published on LinkedIn: CISO Transition Check out previous episodes with Jim: Jim’s original AppSec podcast episode is our #1 listened to of all time. Jim Routh -- Selling #AppSec Up The Chain And Jim Routh — Secure Software Pipelines FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Henrik Plate -- OWASP Top 10 Open Source Risks 38:26

7 weeks ago38:26

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Henrik Plate joins us to discuss the OWASP Top 10 Open Source Risks, a guide highlighting critical security and operational challenges in using open source dependencies. The list includes risks like known vulnerabilities, compromised legitimate packages, name confusion attacks, and unmaintained software, providing developers and organizations a framework to assess and mitigate potential threats. Henrik offers insights on how developers and AppSec professionals can implement the guidelines. Our discussion also includes the need for a dedicated open-source risk list, and the importance of addressing known vulnerabilities, unmaintained projects, immature software, and more. The OWASP Top 10 Open Source Risks FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Tanya Janca -- A Secure SDLC from a Developer's Perspective 48:54

7 weeks ago48:54

48:54

Security expert Tanya Janca discusses her new book "Alice and Bob Learn Secure Coding" and shares insights on making security accessible to developers. In this engaging conversation, she explores how security professionals can better connect with developers through threat modeling, maintaining empathy, and creating inclusive learning environments. Tanya emphasizes the importance of system maintenance after deployment and shares practical advice on input validation, while highlighting how security teams can build better relationships with development teams by avoiding arrogance and embracing collaboration. Tanya’s new book: Alice & Bob Learn Secure Coding Three Individuals that Tanya would like to introduce to you: Confidence Staveley https://confidencestaveley.com/ Rana Khalil https://www.linkedin.com/in/ranakhalil1 Laura Bell Main https://www.laurabellmain.com/ FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Mehran Koushkebaghi -- Security as a Systemic Concern: How to develop Anti-Requirements 45:08

9 weeks ago45:08

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Mehran Koushkebaghi, a seasoned engineering expert, delves into the intricacies of systemic security. He draws parallels between civil engineering and IT systems, and explains the importance of holistic thinking in security design. Discover the difference between semantic and syntactic vulnerabilities and understand how anti-requirements play a critical role in system resilience. This episode offers fresh perspectives on application security. Books recommended by Mehran: Critical System Thinking Book by Mike Jackson The Fifth Discipline by Peter Senge Understanding Complexity on Audible read by Scott E Page Nassim Taleb books FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Kalyani Pawar -- Shaping AppSec at Startups 39:52

11 weeks ago39:52

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Kalyani Pawar shares critical strategies for integrating security early and effectively in AppSec for startups. She recommends that startups begin focusing on AppSec around the 30-employee mark, with an ideal ratio of one AppSec professional per 10 engineers as the company grows. Pawar emphasizes the importance of building a security culture through "culture as code" - implementing automated guardrails and checkpoints that make security an integral part of the development process. She advises startups to prioritize visibility into their systems, conduct pentests, develop thoughtful policies, and carefully vet third-party tools and open-source solutions. Ultimately, Pawar's approach is about making security a collaborative, integrated effort that doesn't impede innovation but instead supports the startup's long-term success and safety. Kalyani’s Book recommendation: The Alignment Problem by Brian Christian FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Milan Williams -- AppSec Metrics 36:16

14 weeks ago36:16

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Milan Williams discusses the importance of application security metrics and how to make them both meaningful and actionable. She explains that metrics are crucial for tracking progress in what can often feel like an overwhelming security landscape, and they're valuable for career advancement and securing resources. We discuss metrics categories and several specific metrics that are good to track. Milan shares important principles on the importance of making metrics actionable through storytelling and relating security impacts to real-world consequences for users. Milan's Book Recommendation: Quiet Influence : The Introvert’s Guide to Making a Difference by Jennifer Kahnweiler FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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MO Sadek -- Building an AppSec Program from Scratch 48:50

14 weeks ago48:50

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Mo Sadek shares his unique journey of building an Application Security program from scratch at Roblox. Mo discusses his unconventional path, including temporarily joining the infrastructure team to truly understand engineering challenges. He emphasizes that security isn't about mandating rules, but about making processes easier and more secure by default. Mo shares his insights on how to build effective cross-team security relationships and approaches for gaining leadership buy-in. Mo's Book Recommendation: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream by Harlan Ellison FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Brett Crawley -- Threat Modeling Gameplay with EoP 45:28

19 weeks ago45:28

45:28

Brett Crawley discusses the Elevation of Privilege (EoP) card game, a powerful tool for threat modeling in software development. The discussion explores recent extensions to the game including privacy-focused suits and TRIM (Transfer, Retention/Removal, Inference, Minimization) categories. Crawley emphasizes that threat modeling shouldn't end with the game but should be an ongoing process throughout an application's lifecycle, ideally starting before implementation. He also shares insights from his book, which provides detailed examples and guidance for teams new to threat modeling using EoP. You can find Brett on X @brettcrawley Brett’s book: Threat Modeling Gameplay with EoP: A reference manual for spotting threats in software architecture Book recommendation: Conscious Business by Fred Kofman FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Matin Mavaddat - Understanding Security as a Systemic Concern: The Role of Anti-Requirements 50:20

23 weeks ago50:20

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Matin Mavaddat discusses his perspective on security as a systemic concern, developed from his background in requirements engineering and systems architecture. He introduces the concept of "anti-requirements" - defining what a system should not do - and distinguishes between "syntactic security" (addressing technical vulnerabilities that are always incorrect) and "semantic security" (context-dependent security emerging from system interactions). Mavaddat shares his perspective that security itself doesn't have independent existence but rather emerges from preventing undesirable states. The discussion concludes with practical implementation strategies, suggesting that while automated tools can handle syntactic security issues, organizations should focus more energy on semantic security by understanding business context and defining anti-requirements early in the development process. Mentioned in this episode: Matin’s article: Reframing Security: Unveiling Power Anti-Requirements Systems Thinking for Curious Managers by Russell Ackoff Antifragile by Nassim Nicholas Taleb The Black Swan by Nassim Nicholas Taleb FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Kayra Otaner -- DevSecOps 32:46

25 weeks ago32:46

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Kayra Otaner joins the podcast today to discuss DevSecOps and answer the question, is it dead? Kayra is the Director of DevSecOps at Roche and is highly involved in the DevSecOps community. Kayra states that DevSecOps in its traditional form is “dead” and that each organization should approach its needs based on their size. Otaner introduces the concept of "security as code" and "policy as code" as more effective approaches, where security functions are codified rather than relying on traditional documentation and checklists. Finally, they discuss the emergence of Application Security Posture Management (ASPM) tools as the "SIM for AppSec," suggesting these tools, especially when enhanced with AI, could help manage the overwhelming number of security alerts and issues that currently plague development teams. Mentioned in this Episode: Books by Yuval Noah Harari FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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François Proulx - Arbitrary Code Execution 0-day in Build Pipeline of Popular Open Source Packages 45:31

25 weeks ago45:31

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François Proulx shares his discovery of security vulnerabilities in build pipelines. Francois has found that attackers can exploit this often overlooked side of the software supply chain. To help address this, his team developed an open source scanner called Poutine that can identify vulnerable build pipelines at scale and provide remediation guidance. Francois has over 10 years of experience in building application security programs, he’s also the founder of the NorthSec conference in Montreal. Mentioned in the Episode: Cooking for Geeks by Jeff Potter Poutine Living Off the Pipeline project Grand Theft Actions Abusing Self Hosted GitHub Runners - Adnan Khan and John Stawinski Where to find Francois: LinkedIn X: @francoisproulx Previous Episodes: François Proulx -- Actionable Software Supply Chain Security FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Steve Wilson -- The Developer's Playbook for Large Language Model Security: Building Secure AI Applications 36:32

29 weeks ago36:32

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Steve Wilson, the author of 'The Developer's Playbook for Large Language Model Security’ is back to dive into topics from his book like AI hallucinations, trust, and the future of AI. Steve has been at the forefront of the explosion of activity at the intersection of AppSec, LLM, and AI. We discuss the biggest fears surrounding LLMs and AI, and explore advanced concepts like Retrieval Augmented Generation and prompt injection. Links: The Developer’s Playbook for Large Language Model Security by Steve Wilson Find Steve on LinkedIn Previous Episodes: Steve Wilson -- OWASP Top Ten for LLMs Steve Wilson and Gavin Klondike -- OWASP Top Ten for LLM Applications Release Two people Steve recommends you look up: Chris Voss , Former FBI Negotiator and author of “Never Split the Difference” Arshan Dabirsiaghi FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Jeff Williams -- Application Detection & Response (ADR) 51:28

30 weeks ago51:28

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Jeff Williams, a renowned pioneer in the field of application security is with us to discuss Application Detection and Response (ADR), detailing its potential to revolutionize security in production environments. Jeff shares stories from his career, including the founding of OWASP, and his take on security assurance. We cover many topics including; security assurance, life, basketball and plenty of AppSec as well. Where to find Jeff: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/planetlevel/ Previous Episodes: Jeff Williams – The Tech of Runtime Security Jeff Williams – The History of OWASP FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Phillip Wylie -- Pen Testing from Somebody who Knows about Pen Testing 52:08

31 weeks ago52:08

52:08

Philip Wiley shares his unique journey from professional wrestling to being a renowned pen tester. We define pen testing and the role of social engineering in ethical hacking. We talk tools of the trade, share a favorite web app pentest hack and offer good advice on starting a career in cybersecurity. Philip shares some insights from his book, ‘The Pentester Blueprint: Starting a Career as an Ethical Hacker.’ And we discuss the impact of AI on pen testing and where this field is headed in the next few years. The Pentester Blueprint Starting a Career as an Ethical Hacker written by Phillip Wylie The Web Application Hacker’s Handbook written by Dafydd Stuttard, Marcus Pinto Where to find Phillip: Website: https://thehackermaker.com/ Podcast: https://phillipwylieshow.com/ X: https://x.com/PhillipWylie LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phillipwylie/ FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Steve Springett -- Software and System Transparency 48:13

33 weeks ago48:13

48:13

Steve Springett, an expert in secure software development and a key figure in several OWASP projects is back. Steve unpacks CycloneDX and the value proposition of various BOMs. He gives us a rundown of the BOM landscape and unveils some new BOM projects that will continue to unify the security industry. Steve is a seasoned guest of the show so we learn a bit more about Steve's hobbies, providing a personal glimpse into his life outside of technology. Links from this episode: https://cyclonedx.org/ Previous episodes with Steve Springett: JC Herz and Steve Springett -- SBOMs and software supply chain assurance Steve Springett — An insiders checklist for Software Composition Analysis Steve Springett -- Dependency Check and Dependency Track Book: Software Transparency: Supply Chain Security in an Era of a Software-Driven Society by Chris Hughes and Tony Turner FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Irfaan Santoe -- The Power of Strategy in AppSec 40:14

37 weeks ago40:14

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Irfaan Santoe joins us for an in-depth discussion on the power of strategy in Application Security. We delve into measuring AppSec maturity, return on investment, and communicating technical needs to business leaders. Irfaan shares his unique journey from consulting to becoming an AppSec professional, and addresses the gaps between CISOs and AppSec knowledge. Irfaan shares valuable insights for scaling AppSec programs and aligning them with business objectives. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Andrew Van Der Stock -- The New OWASP Top Ten 51:51

39 weeks ago51:51

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Andrew Van Der Stok, a leading web application security specialist and executive director at OWASP joins us for this episode. We discuss the latest with the OWASP Top 10 Project, the importance of data collection, and the need for developer engagement. Andrew gives us the methodology behind building the OWASP Top 10, the significance of framework security, and much more. Previous episodes with Andrew Van Der Stock Andrew van der Stock — Taking Application Security to the Masses Andrew van der Stock and Brian Glas -- The Future of the OWASP Top 10 Books mentioned in the episode: The Crown Road by Iain Banks Edward Tufte FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Derek Fisher -- Hiring in Cyber/AppSec 1:01:45

40 weeks ago1:01:45

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Derek Fisher, an expert in hardware, software, and cybersecurity with over 25 years of experience is back on the podcast. Derek shares his advice on cybersecurity hiring, specifically in application security, and dives into the challenges of entry-level roles in the industry. We discuss the value of certifications, the necessity of lifelong learning, and the importance of networking. Listen along for good advice on getting noticed in cybersecurity, resume tips, and the evolving landscape of AppSec careers. Mentioned in this episode: The Application Security Handbook by Derek Fisher With the Old Breed by E.B. Sledge Cyber for Builders by Ross Haleliuk Effective Vulnerability Management by Chris Hughes Previous episode: Derek Fisher – The Application Security Handbook FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Tanya Janca -- Secure Guardrails 1:04:50

41 weeks ago1:04:50

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Tanya Janka, also known as SheHacksPurple, discusses secure guardrails, the difference between guardrails and paved roads, and how to implement both in application security. Tanya is an award-winning public speaker and head of education at SEMGREP and the best-selling author of ‘Alice and Bob Learn Application Security’. Tanya shares her insights on creating secure software and teaching developers in this episode. Mentioned in this episode: Tanya Janca – What Secure Coding Really Means Tanya Janca – Mentoring Monday - 5 Minute AppSec Tanya Janca and Nicole Becher – Hacking APIs and Web Services with DevSlop The Expanse Series by James S.A. Corey Alice and Bob Learn Application Security by Tanya Janca FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Jahanzeb Farooq -- Launching and executing an AppSec program 49:44

42 weeks ago49:44

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Jahanzeb Farooq discusses his journey in cybersecurity and the challenges of building AppSec programs from scratch. Jahanzeb shares his experience working in various industries, including Siemens, Novo Nordisk, and Danske Bank, highlighting the importance of understanding developer needs and implementing the right tools. The conversation covers the complexities of cybersecurity in the pharmaceutical and financial sectors, shedding light on regulatory requirements and the role of software in critical industries. Learn about prioritizing security education, threat modeling, and navigating digital transformation. Mentioned in this Episode: The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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David Quisenberry -- Building Security, People, and Programs 56:54

44 weeks ago56:54

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David Quisenberry shares about his journey into the security world, insights on building AppSec programs in small to mid-sized companies, and the importance of data-driven decision-making. The conversation delves into the value of mentoring and why it's important to build real relationships with the people you work with, the vital role of trust with engineering teams, and the significance of mental health and community in the industry. Books Shared in the Episode: SRE Engineering by Betsy Beyer, Chris Jones, Jennifer Petoff and Niall Richard Murphy The Phoenix Project by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr and George Spafford Security Chaos Engineering by Aaron Rinehart and Kelly Shortridge CISO Desk Reference Guide by Bill Bonney, Gary Hayslip, Matt Stamper Wiring the Winning Organization by Gene Kim and Dr. Steven J. Spear The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk, M.D. Intelligence Driven Incident Response by Rebekah Brown and Scott J. Roberts Never Eat Alone by Keith Ferrazzi Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman Do Hard Things by Steve Magness How Leaders Create and Use Networks , Whitepaper by Herminia Ibarra and Mark Lee Hunter FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Matt Rose -- Software Supply Chain Security Means Many Different Things to Different People 46:14

45 weeks ago46:14

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Matt Rose, an experienced technical AppSec testing leader discusses his career journey and significant contributions in AppSec. The conversation delves into the nuances of software supply chain security and exploring how different perceptions affect its understanding. Matt provides insights into the XZ compromise, critiques the buzzword 'shift left,' and discusses the role of digital twins and AI in enhancing the supply chain security. He emphasizes the need for a comprehensive approach beyond SCA, the relevance of threat modeling, and the potential risks and benefits of AI in security. Mentioned in the episode: The Application Security Program Handbook by Derek Fisher https://www.manning.com/books/application-security-program-handbook Podcast Episode: Derek Fisher – The Application Security Program Handbook https://youtu.be/DgmlHgNT-UM Authors mentioned: Steven E. Ambrose https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Stephen-E-Ambrose/1063454 Mark Frost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Frost FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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James Berthoty -- Is DAST Dead? And the future of API security 44:56

46 weeks ago44:56

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James Berthoty, a cloud security engineer with a diverse IT background, discusses his journey into application and product security. James highlights his career trajectory from IT operations to cloud security, his experiences with security tools like Snyk and StackHawk, and the evolving landscape of Dynamic Application Security Testing (DAST) and API security. They delve into the practical challenges of CVEs, reachability analysis, and the complexities of patching in mid-sized companies. James shares his views on the often misunderstood role of WAF and the importance of fixing issues over merely identifying them. James Berthoty’s LinkedIn post: AppSec Kool-Aid Statements I Disagree With What is Art by Leo Tolstoy FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Mark Curphey and Simon Bennetts -- Riding the Coat Tails of ZAP, without Open Source Funding 42:32

48 weeks ago42:32

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Mark Curphey and Simon Bennetts, join Chris on the podcast to discuss the challenges of funding and sustaining major open source security projects like ZAP. Curphey shares about going fully independent and building a non-profit sustainable model for ZAP. The key is getting companies in the industry, especially companies commercializing ZAP, to properly fund its ongoing development and maintenance. Bennetts, who has led ZAP for over 15 years, shares the harsh reality that while ZAP is likely the world's most popular web scanner with millions of active users per month, very few companies contribute back financially despite making millions by building products and services on top of ZAP. Curphey and Bennetts are asking those in the industry to step up and properly fund open source projects like ZAP that are critical infrastructure, rather than freeloading off the hard work of a few individuals. Curphey's company is investing substantial funds in a "responsible marketing" model to sustain ZAP as a non-profit, with hopes others will follow this ethical example to prevent open source security going down a dangerous path. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Devin Rudnicki -- Expanding AppSec 35:57

49 weeks ago35:57

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Devon Rudnicki, the Chief Information Security Officer at Fitch Group, shares her journey of developing an application security program from scratch and advancing to the CISO role. She emphasizes the importance of collaboration, understanding the organization's business, and using metrics to drive positive change in the security program. Elon Musk - Walter Isaacson Steve Jobs - Walter Isaacson The Code Breaker: Jennifer Doudna, Gene Editing, and the Future of the Human Race - Walter Isaacson https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Walter-Isaacson/697650 FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Dustin Lehr -- Culture Change through Champions and Gamification 45:10

1 year ago45:10

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Dustin Lehr, Senior Director of Platform Security/Deputy CISO at Fivetran and Chief Solutions Officer at Katilyst Security, joins Robert and Chris to discuss security champions. Dustin explains the concept of security champions within the developer community, exploring the unique qualities and motivations behind developers becoming security advocates. He emphasizes the importance of fostering a security culture and leveraging gamification to engage developers effectively. They also cover the challenges of implementing security practices within the development process and how to justify the need for a champion program to engineering leadership. Dustin shares insights from his career transition from a developer to a cybersecurity professional, and he provides practical advice for organizations looking to enhance their security posture through community and culture-focused approaches. Links: "Maker's Schedule, Manager's Schedule" article by Paul Graham — https://www.paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss & Tahl Raz — https://www.harpercollins.com/products/never-split-the-difference-chris-vosstahl-raz?variant=32117745385506 FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Francesco Cipollone -- Application Security Posture Management and the Power of Working with the Business 38:11

1 year ago38:11

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Francesco Cipollone, CEO of Phoenix Security, joins Chris and Robert to discuss security and explain Application Security Posture Management (ASPM). Francesco shares his journey from developer to cybersecurity leader, revealing the origins and importance of ASPM. The discussion covers the distinction between application security and product security, the evolution of ASPM from SIEM solutions, and ASPM's role in managing asset vulnerabilities and software security holistically. Francesco emphasizes the necessity of involving the business side in security decisions and explains how ASPM enables actionable, risk-based decision-making. The episode also touches on the impact of AI on ASPM. It concludes with Francesco advocating for a stronger integration between security, development, and business teams to effectively manage software security risks. Recommended Reading: Cyber for Builders: The Essential Guide to Building a Cybersecurity Startup by Ross Haleliuk — https://ventureinsecurity.net/p/cyber-for-builders FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Mukund Sarma -- Developer Tools that Solve Security Problems 46:32

1 year ago46:32

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Mukund Sarma, the Senior Director for Product Security at Chime, talks with Chris about his career path from being a software engineer to becoming a leader in application security. He explains how he focuses on building security tools that are easy for developers to use and stresses the importance of looking at application security as a part of the broader category of product security. Mukund highlights the role of collaboration over security mandates and the introduction of security scorecards for proactive risk management. He and Chris also discuss the strategic implementation of embedded security functions within development teams. Discover the potential of treating security as an enabling function for developers, fostering a culture of shared responsibility, and the innovative approaches Chime employs to secure its services with minimal friction for developers. Links Chime's Monocle -- https://medium.com/life-at-chime/monocle-how-chime-creates-a-proactive-security-engineering-culture-part-1-dedd3846127f -- https://medium.com/life-at-chime/mitigating-risky-pull-requests-with-monocle-risk-advisor-part-2-7013e1485bf2 Introduction to Overwatch -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZKBtw8VO4 Recommended Reading Building Secure and Reliable Systems by Adkins, Beyer, Blankinship, Lewandowski, Oprea, Stubblefield -- https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/building-secure-and/9781492083115/ Drive by Daniel Pink -- https://www.danpink.com/books/drive/ FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Meghan Jacquot -- Assumed Breach Red Team Engagements for AppSec 40:55

1 year ago40:55

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AppSec specialist Megan Jacquot joins Chris and Robert for a compelling conversation about community, career paths, and productive red team exercises. Megan shares her unique cybersecurity origin story, tracing her interest in the field from childhood influences through her tenure as an educator and her formal return to academia to pivot into a tech-focused career. She delves into her roles in threat intelligence and application security, emphasizing her passion for technical work, penetration testing, and bug bounty programs. Additionally, Megan highlights the importance of mentorship, her involvement with the Women in Cybersecurity (WeCyS) community, and her dedication to fostering the next generation of cybersecurity professionals. The discussion covers assumed breach and red team engagements in cybersecurity, the significance of empathy in bug bounty interactions, tips for Call for Papers (CFP) submissions, and the value of community engagement within organizations like OWASP and DEF CON. Megan concludes with insights on the importance of difficult conversations and giving back to the cybersecurity community. Links Difficult Conversations (How to Discuss What Matters Most) by Douglas Stone, Bruce Patton, Sheila Heen -- https://www.stoneandheen.com/difficult-conversations Being Henry: The Fonz...and Beyond by Henry Winkler -- https://celadonbooks.com/book/being-henry-fonz-and-beyond-henry-winkler/ FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Bill Sempf -- Development, Security, and Teaching the Next Generation 39:44

1 year ago39:44

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Robert is joined by Bill Sempf, an application security architect with over 20 years of experience in software development and security. Bill shares his security origins as a curious child immersed in technology, leading to his lifelong dedication to application security. They discuss CodeMash, a developer conference in Ohio, and recount Bill's presentation on the Veilid application framework, designed for privacy-driven mobile applications. Bill also explores his efforts in educating children about technology and programming, drawing on his experiences with Kidsmash and other initiatives. Additionally, they delve into the challenges of application security, particularly modern software development practices and the utility of languages like Rust for creating secure applications. Bill concludes with intriguing thoughts on application security trends and the importance of a diverse skill set for both developers and security professionals. Helpful Links: Bill's homepage - https://www.sempf.net/ CodeMash conference - https://codemash.org Veilid Application Framework - https://veilid.com/ Math Without Numbers - https://www.amazon.com/Math-Without-Numbers-Milo-Beckman/dp/1524745545 FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Hendrik Ewerlin -- Threat Modeling of Threat Modeling 33:50

1 year ago33:50

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Robert and Chris talk with Hendrik Ewerlin, a threat modeling advocate and trainer. Hendrik believes you can threat model anything, and he recently applied threat modeling to the process of threat modeling itself. His conclusions are published in the document Threat Modeling of Threat Modeling, where he aims to help practitioners, in his own words, "tame the threats to the threat modeling process." They explore the role of threat modeling in software development, emphasizing the dire consequences of overlooking this crucial process. They discuss why threat modeling serves as a cornerstone for security, and why Hendrik stresses the importance of adopting a process that is effective, efficient, and satisfying. If you care about secure software, you will want to listen in as Hendrik emphasizes why the approach to threat modeling, as well as the process itself, is so critical to success in security. Links: => Hendrik Ewerlin: https://hendrik.ewerlin.com/security/ => Threat Modeling of Threat Modeling: https://threat-modeling.net/threat-modeling-of-threat-modeling/ Recommended Reading: => Steal Like An Artist and other books by Austin Kleon https://austinkleon.com/books/ FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Jason Nelson -- Three Pillars of Threat Modeling Success: Consistency, Repeatability, and Efficacy 53:52

1 year ago53:52

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Jason Nelson, an accomplished expert in information security management, joins Chris to share insights on establishing successful threat modeling programs in data-intensive industries like finance and healthcare. Jason presents his three main pillars to consider when establishing a threat modeling program: consistency, repeatability, and efficacy. The discussion also provides a series of fascinating insights into security practices, regulatory environments, and the value of a threat modeling champion. As a threat modeling practitioner, Jason provides an essential perspective to anyone serious about application security. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Erik Cabetas -- Cracking Codes on Screen and in Contests: An Expert's View on Hacking, Vulnerabilities, and the Evolution of Cybersecurity Language 51:12

1 year ago51:12

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Erik Cabetas joins Robert and Chris for a thought-provoking discussion about modern software security. They talk about the current state of vulnerabilities, the role of memory-safe languages in AppSec, and why IncludeSec takes a highly systematic approach to security assessments and bans OWASP language. Along the way, Erik shares his entry into cybersecurity and his experience consulting about hacking for TV shows and movies. The conversation doesn't end before they peek into threat modeling, software engineering architecture, and the nuances of running security programs. Helpful Links: Security Engineering by Ross Anderson - https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Security+Engineering%3A+A+Guide+to+Building+Dependable+Distributed+Systems%2C+3rd+Edition-p-9781119642817 New School of Information Security by Adam Shostack and Andrew Stewart - https://www.informit.com/store/new-school-of-information-security-9780132800280 FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Justin Collins -- Enabling the Business to Move Faster, Securely 47:19

1 year ago47:19

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Justin Collins of Gusto joins Robert and Chris for a practical conversation about running security teams in an engineering-minded organization. Justin shares his experience leading product security teams, the importance of aligning security with business goals, and the challenges arising from the intersection of product security and emerging technologies like GenAI. They also discuss the concept of security partners and the future of AI applications in the field of cybersecurity. And he doesn’t finish before sharing insights into the role of GRC and privacy in the current security landscape. Find out why Justin believes that above all, security should align with the goals of a business, tailored to the business itself, its situation, and its resources. Book Recommendation: The DevOps Handbook by Gene Kim et al. https://itrevolution.com/product/the-devops-handbook-second-edition/ FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Kyle Kelly -- The Dumpster Fire of Software Supply Chain Security 41:17

1 year ago41:17

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Kyle Kelly joins Chris to explore the wild west of software supply chain security. Kyle, author of the CramHacks newsletter, sheds light on the complicated and often misunderstood world of software supply chain security. He brings unique insights into the challenges, issues, and potential solutions in this constantly growing field. From his experiences in sectors like cybersecurity and security research, he adapts a critical perspective on the state of the software supply chain, suggesting it is in a 'dumpster fire' state. We'll dissect that incendiary claim and discuss the influence of open-source policies, the role of GRC, and the importance of build reproducibility. From starters to experts, anyone with even a mild interest in software security and its future will find this conversation enlightening. Links: CramHacks - https://www.cramhacks.com/ Solve for Happy by Mo Gawdat - https://www.panmacmillan.com/authors/mo-gawdat/solve-for-happy/9781509809950 FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Chris Hughes -- Software Transparency 39:10

1 year ago39:10

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Chris Hughes, co-founder of Aquia, joins Chris and Robert on the Application Security Podcast to discuss points from his recent book Software Transparency: Supply Chain Security in an Era of a Software-Driven Society, co-authored with Tony Turner. The conversation touches on the U.S. government in the software supply chain, the definition and benefits of software transparency, the concept of a software bill of materials (SBOM), and the growth of open-source software. The episode also covers crucial topics like compliance versus real security in software startups, the role of SOC 2 in setting security baselines, and the importance of threat modeling in understanding software supply chain risks. They also talk about the imbalance between software suppliers and consumers in terms of information transparency and the burden on developers and engineers to handle vulnerability lists with little context. As an expert in the field, Chris touches on the broader challenges facing the cybersecurity community, including the pitfalls of overemphasizing technology at the expense of building strong relationships and trust. He advocates for a more holistic approach to security, one that prioritizes people over technology. Links Software Transparency: Supply Chain Security in an Era of a Software-Driven Society by Chris Hughes and Tony Turner https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Software+Transparency%3A+Supply+Chain+Security+in+an+Era+of+a+Software+Driven+Society-p-9781394158492 Application Security Program Handbook by Derek Fisher https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Application-Security-Program-Handbook/Derek-Fisher/9781633439818 Agile Application Security by Laura Bell, Michael Brunton-Spall, Rich Smith, Jim Bird https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/agile-application-security/9781491938836/ CNCF Catalog of Supply Chain Compromises https://github.com/cncf/tag-security/blob/main/supply-chain-security/compromises/README.md FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Jay Bobo & Darylynn Ross -- App Sec Is Dead. Product Security Is the Future. 52:25

1 year ago52:25

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Jay Bobo and Darylynn Ross from CoverMyMeds join Chris to explain their assertion that 'AppSec is Dead.' They discuss the differences between product and application security, emphasizing the importance of proper security practices and effective communication with senior leaders, engineers, and other stakeholders. Jay proposes that product security requires a holistic approach and cautions against the current state of penetration testing in web applications. Darylynn encourages AppSec engineers to broaden their scope beyond individual applications to product security. With enlightening insights and practical advice, this episode thoughtfully challenges AppSec professionals with new ideas about application and product security. Links: Jay recommends: How to Measure Anything in Cybersecurity Risk, 2nd Edition by Douglas W. Hubbard, Richard Seiersen https://www.wiley.com/en-us/How+to+Measure+Anything+in+Cybersecurity+Risk%2C+2nd+Edition-p-9781119892311 Darylynn recommends: Kristin Hannah: https://kristinhannah.com/ FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Eitan Worcel -- Is AI a Security Champion? 48:41

1 year ago48:41

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Eitan Worcel joins the Application Security Podcast, to talk automated code fixes and the role of artificial intelligence in application security. We start with a thought-provoking discussion about the consistency and reliability of AI-generated responses in fixing vulnerabilities like Cross-Site Scripting (XSS). The conversation highlights a future where AI on one side writes code while AI on the other side fixes it, raising questions about the outcomes of such a scenario. The discussion shifts to the human role in using AI for automated code fixes. Human oversight is important in setting policies or rules to guide AI, as opposed to letting it run wild on the entire code base. This controlled approach, akin to a 'controlled burn,' aims at deploying AI in a way that's beneficial and manageable, without overwhelming developers with excessive changes or suggestions. We also explore the efficiency gains expected from AI in automating tedious tasks like fixing code vulnerabilities. We compare this to the convenience of household robots like Roomba, imagining a future where AI takes care of repetitive tasks, enhancing developer productivity. However, we also address potential pitfalls, such as AI's tendency to 'hallucinate' or generate inaccurate solutions, underscoring the need for caution and proper validation of AI-generated fixes. This episode offers a balanced perspective on the integration of AI in application security, highlighting both its promising potential and the challenges that need to be addressed. Join us as we unravel the complexities and future of AI in AppSec, understanding how it can revolutionize the field while remaining vigilant about its limitations. Recommended Reading from Eitan : The Hard Thing About Hard Things by Ben Horowitz - https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-hard-thing-about-hard-things-ben-horowitz?variant=32122118471714 FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Björn Kimminich -- OWASP Juice Shop 39:17

1 year ago39:17

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Bjorn Kimminich, the driving force behind the OWASP Juice Shop project, joins Chris and Robert to discuss all things Juice Shop. The OWASP Juice Shop is a deliberately vulnerable web application that serves as an invaluable training tool for security professionals and enthusiasts. Bjorn provides a comprehensive overview of the latest features and challenges introduced in the Juice Shop, underscoring the project's commitment to simulating real-world security scenarios. Key highlights include the introduction of coding challenges, where users must identify and fix code vulnerabilities. This interactive approach enhances the learning experience and bridges the gap between theoretical knowledge and practical application. Additionally, Bjorn delves into the integration of Web3 and smart contracts within the Juice Shop, reflecting the project's adaptation to emerging technologies in the blockchain domain. This integration poses new challenges and learning opportunities, making the Juice Shop a continually relevant and evolving platform for cybersecurity training. The episode concludes with an acknowledgment of the project's maintenance efforts and the introduction of a novel cheating detection mechanism. This system assesses the patterns and speed of challenge completions, ensuring the integrity of the learning process. Bjorn's discussion also highlights the inclusion of 'shenanigan' challenges, adding a layer of fun and creativity to the application. The significant impact of the Juice Shop on the cybersecurity community, as a tool for honing skills and understanding complex security vulnerabilities, is evident throughout the discussion, marking this episode as an essential watch for those in the field. Links: OWASP Juice Shop - https://owasp.org/www-project-juice-shop/ Pwning OWASP Juice Shop by Björn Kimminich. The official companion guide to the OWASP Juice Shop - https://leanpub.com/juice-shop "OWASP Juice Shop Jingle" by Brian Johnson of 7 Minute Security - https://soundcloud.com/braimee/owasp-juice-shop-jingle FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Arshan Dabirsiaghi -- Security Startups, AI Influencing AppSec, and Pixee/Codemodder.io 57:36

1 year ago57:36

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Arshan Dabirsiaghi of Pixee joins Robert and Chris to discuss startups, AI in appsec, and Pixee's Codemodder.io. The conversation begins with a focus on the unrealistic expectations placed on developers regarding security. Arshan points out that even with training, developers may not remember or apply security measures effectively, especially in complex areas like deserialization. This leads to a lengthy and convoluted process for fixing security issues, a problem that Arshan and his team have been working to address through their open-source tool, Codemodder.io. Chris and Arshan discuss the dynamic nature of the startup world. Chris reflects on the highs and lows experienced in a single day, emphasizing the importance of having a resilient team that can handle these fluctuations. They touch upon the role of negativity in an organization and its potential to hinder progress. Arshan then delves into the history of Contrast Security and its pioneering work in defining RASP (Runtime Application Self-Protection) and IAST (Interactive Application Security Testing) as key concepts in appsec. The group also explores the future of AI in application security. Arshan expresses his view that AI will serve more as a helper than a replacement in the short term. He believes that those who leverage AI will outperform those who don't. The conversation also covers the potential risks of relying too heavily on AI, such as the introduction of vulnerabilities and the loss of understanding in code development. Arshan emphasizes the importance of a feedback loop in the development process, where each change is communicated to the developer, fostering a learning environment. This approach aims to improve developers' understanding of security issues and promote better coding practices. Links: Pixee https://www.pixee.ai/ Pixee's Codemodder.io: https://codemodder.io/ Book Recommendation: Hacking: The Art of Exploitation, Vol. 2 by John Erickson: https://nostarch.com/hacking2.htm Aleph One's "Smashing The Stack for Fun and Profit": http://phrack.org/issues/49/14.html Tim Newsham's "Format String Attacks": https://seclists.org/bugtraq/2000/Sep/214 Matt Conover's "w00w00 on Heap Overflows" (reposted): https://www.cgsecurity.org/exploit/heaptut.txt Jeremiah Grossman, aka rain forest puppy (rfp): https://www.jeremiahgrossman.com/#writing Justin Rosenstein's original codemod on GitHub: https://github.com/facebookarchive/codemod FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Dr. Jared Demott -- Cloud Security & Bug Bounty 44:29

1 year ago44:29

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Chris and Robert are thrilled to have an insightful conversation with Dr. Jared Demott, a seasoned expert in the field of cybersecurity. The discussion traverses a range of topics, from controversial opinions on application security to the practical aspects of managing bug bounty programs in large corporations like Microsoft. We dive into the technicalities of bug bounty programs, exploring how companies like Microsoft handle the influx of reports and the importance of such programs in a comprehensive security strategy. Dr. Demott provides valuable insights into the evolution of bug classes and the never-ending challenge of addressing significant bug types, emphasizing that no bug class can ever be fully eradicated. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the nuances of software security, the realities of cybersecurity employment, and the ongoing challenges in bug mitigation. Join us for an enlightening journey into the heart of application security with Dr. Jared Demott. Links: Microsoft Security Response Center MSRC: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/msrc FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Katharina Koerner -- Security as Responsible AI 50:40

1 year ago50:40

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Dr. Katharina Koerner, a renowned advisor and community builder with expertise in privacy by design and responsible AI, joins Chris and Robert to delve into the intricacies of responsible AI in this episode of the Application Security Podcast. She explores how security intersects with AI, discusses the ethical implications of AI's integration into daily life, and emphasizes the importance of educating ourselves about AI risk management frameworks. She also highlights the crucial role of AI security engineers, the ethical debates around using AI in education, and the significance of international AI governance. This discussion is a deep dive into AI, privacy, security, and ethics, offering valuable insights for tech professionals, policymakers, and individuals. Links: UNESCO Recommendation on the Ethics of Artificial Intelligence: https://www.unesco.org/en/artificial-intelligence?hub=32618 OECD AI Principles: https://oecd.ai/en/ai-principles White House Blueprint for an AI Bill of Rights: https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/ai-bill-of-rights/ NIST AI Risk Management Framework: https://www.nist.gov/itl/ai-risk-management-framework NIST Adversarial Machine Learning: A Taxonomy and Terminology of Attacks and Mitigations: https://csrc.nist.gov/pubs/ai/100/2/e2023/ipd Microsoft Responsible AI Standard, v2: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/ai/principles-and-approach ==> Microsoft Failure Modes in Machine Learning: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/security/engineering/failure-modes-in-machine-learning ENISA Securing Machine Learning Algorithms: https://www.enisa.europa.eu/publications/securing-machine-learning-algorithms Google Secure AI Framework (SAIF): https://developers.google.com/machine-learning/resources/saif ==> Google Why Red Teams Play a Central Role in Helping Organizations Secure AI Systems: https://services.google.com/fh/files/blogs/google_ai_red_team_digital_final.pdf Recommended Book: The Ethical Algorithm: The Science of Socially Aware Algorithm Design by Michael Kearns and Aaron Roth: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-ethical-algorithm-9780190948207?cc=us&lang=en& FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Ray Espinoza -- The AppSec CISO, Vendor Relationships, and Mentoring 50:37

1 year ago50:37

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For Security Pros & Business Leaders | Strategic Insights & Leadership Lessons 🔒🌟 When Ray Espinoza joined Chris and Robert on the Application Security Podcast, he gave a treasure trove of insights for both security professionals and business leaders alike! Whether you're deep in the trenches of information security or steering the ship in business leadership, this episode is packed with valuable takeaways. Dive in to discover why this is a must-listen for professionals across the spectrum. 🌟🔒 For Security Professionals: 1. CISO Insights: Gain a glimpse into the strategic mind of a Chief Information Security Officer. Learn from their real-world experiences and challenges in aligning security with business goals. 2. Career Development: Get inspired by the speaker's career journey and learn the importance of mentorship in your professional growth. 3. Data-Driven Security: Embrace a data-driven approach to security solutions, focusing on tangible results and measurable outcomes. For Business Leaders: 1. Strategic Security Understanding: Learn how information security is integral to overall business strategy and decision-making. 2. Universal Risk Management: Gain insights into risk management strategies applicable across various business aspects. 3. Communication & Relationship Building: Enhance your skills in effective communication and professional relationship building. 4. Leadership & Mentorship: Absorb valuable lessons in guiding and inspiring your team, crucial for effective leadership. 5. Adaptability in Leadership: Understand the importance of flexibility and adaptability in today's rapidly evolving business landscape. 6. Data-Driven Decisions: Embrace the power of data in driving efficient and accountable business processes. Why Listen? 👉 For security pros, this is your chance to deepen your understanding of strategic security management and enhance your interpersonal skills. 👉 For business leaders, this episode offers a unique perspective on how security strategies impact broader business objectives and leadership practices. Don't Miss Out! 🎧 Tune in now for an enlightening discussion filled with actionable insights. Whether you're an aspiring CISO, a seasoned security professional, or a business leader looking to broaden your horizons, this podcast has something for everyone. 👍 Like, Share, and Subscribe for more insightful content! 💬 Drop your thoughts and takeaways in the comments below! #SecurityLeadership #BusinessStrategy #RiskManagement #CareerGrowth #DataDrivenDecisions #LeadershipSkills --- Remember, your engagement helps us bring more such content. So, hit that like button, share with your network, and subscribe for more insightful episodes! 🌟🔊📈 Ray's Book Recommendation: Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin https://echelonfront.com/books/extreme-ownership/ FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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Chris John Riley -- MVSP: Minimum Viable Secure Product 50:13

1 year ago50:13

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Chris John Riley joins Chris and Robert to discuss the Minimum Viable Secure Product. MVSP is a minimalistic security checklist for B2B software and business process outsourcing suppliers. It was designed by a team that included experts from Google, Salesforce, Okta, and Slack. The MVSP objectives are targeted at startups and other companies creating new applications, helping such organizations meet security standards expected by larger enterprises like Google. The MVSP is designed to be accessible for users, as a way to streamline the process of vendor assessment and procurement from the start to the contractual control stages. Using MVSP, developers and application security enthusiasts can establish a baseline for building secure applications. MVSP includes controls about business operations, application design, implementation, and operational controls. For instance, it encourages third-party penetration testing on applications, as it believes that every product has an issue somewhere and needs regular testing to maintain a good security posture. The controls are designed to be reasonable and achievable, but also evolutionary to keep up with changes in the cybersecurity landscape. Moving forward, MVSP intends to continue updating its guidelines to reflect the realities of the software development landscape but to keep the number of controls manageable to maintain wide acceptance. Chris encourages firms to consider MVSP as a baseline during the Request for Proposal (RFP) process to ensure prospective vendors meet the required security guidelines. Links: Minimum Viable Secure Product: https://mvsp.dev/ Recommended Books: Cybersecurity Myths and Misconceptions ... by Eugene H. Spafford, Leigh Metcalf, and Josiah Dykstra: https://www.pearson.com/en-us/subject-catalog/p/cybersecurity-myths-and-misconceptions-avoiding-the-hazards-and-pitfalls-that-derail/P200000007269/9780137929238 Phantoms in the Brain: Probing the Mysteries of the Human Mind by V.S. Ramachandran https://www.harpercollins.com/products/phantoms-in-the-brain-v-s-ramachandran?variant=32130994110498 FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast Thanks for Listening! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~…

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