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Why I Treat Homophobic Christians Like Vegans 13:37

12 hours ago13:37

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In today's episode, I unpack the mental model I use when Christians try to impose their beliefs—especially around queer rights. I compare their moral arguments to veganism (yes, really) to show how the more forcefully someone wants to control others, the more evidence they need to bring to the table. Faith alone doesn’t cut it. I walk through four levels of moral imperatives and the kind of proof each one demands. From personal convictions to theocratic dogma, I explain why your certainty should match your evidence—especially if you're trying to take away my rights. This isn’t just theology—it’s epistemology. 00:00 – I Treat Homophobic Christians Like Vegans 00:30 – What Counts as a Moral Imperative? 01:00 – My Journey: From Latin Mass to Deconstruction 01:36 – Level 1: Personal Belief Requires No Proof 02:57 – Level 2: Gentle Advocacy Needs Some Evidence 05:02 – Level 3: Telling Others What to Do? Prove It. 07:46 – Level 4: Forcing Belief = Irrefutable Proof Required 10:50 – Don't Get Stuck in the Weeds—Know the Burden 13:00 – Final Advice for Deconstructing Listeners To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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How to Leave Catholicism/High-Control Religion & Stay Happy w/ Evelyn from Leave Laugh Love 1:11:37

5 days ago1:11:37

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Leaving a fundamentalist or conservative form of Catholicism is more than just walking away from a church—it’s walking away from an entire worldview, identity, and sometimes your community. In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, Evelyn from the podcast Leave Laugh Love joins us for an honest, vulnerable, and occasionally funny conversation about leaving faith as a queer person. We talk about the emotional process of leaving, what healing looks like, building a new life, and practical steps for anyone questioning their faith. Whether you’re deconstructing, doubting, or just curious, this is for you. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:27 Evelyn's Background and Journey 01:30 Starting the Podcast and Providing Resources 02:11 Personal Stories of Faith and Doubt 03:20 Understanding Fundamentalist Catholicism 05:50 The Process of Deconstruction 08:49 Navigating Relationships and Friendships 15:54 Making Practical Plans to Leave 18:19 The Role of Therapy and Support Networks 25:00 Life After Leaving Religion 38:09 Sunday Mornings Without Mass 38:35 Navigating Belief and Morality 39:06 Empathy and Self-Discovery 41:44 Finding Purpose After Leaving Religion 42:47 Exploring New Communities and Hobbies 44:34 Redefining Life and Meaning 49:20 Grieving and Reconstructing 52:17 Navigating Relationships Post-Religion 55:42 Embracing a New Life 01:05:23 Final Thoughts and Resources To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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What Sends You to Hell in Catholicism? Apologist & Atheist Debate Catholic Teaching 56:44

6 days ago56:44

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In this episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I sit down with guest Cameron Riecker, a prominent Catholic YouTuber, discuss the complexities and uncertainties within Catholic moral teaching. We dive deep into the distinctions between venial and mortal sins, the ambiguity in moral guidelines, and the impact of these ambiguities on the lives of faithful Catholics. Cameron shares his personal journey into Catholicism and offers his perspective on dealing with moral dilemmas and church teachings. The conversation touches on practical examples such as the morality of certain sexual acts within marriage and what is permissible on Sundays, highlighting the challenges of living a Catholic life amid differing interpretations and teachings. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction 01:37 Discussion on Venial vs. Mortal Sins 05:17 Examples of Disagreement Among Catholics 07:47 Analogies and Moral Principles 10:44 Debating Moral Ambiguities 12:31 The Role of Church Authority and Flexibility 19:20 Moral Obligations and Reduced Culpability 27:22 Debating Catholic Teachings on Foreplay 28:00 Historical Context and Church Rulings 29:18 Moral Obligations and Church Authority 30:38 Controversies on Sunday Activities 31:26 Theological Nuances and Personal Interpretations 34:56 Pragmatic Concerns and Faith 41:03 God's Will and Human Understanding 51:01 Closing Thoughts and Reflections To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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101 Ways to Go To Hell in Catholicism (And Why It Makes No Sense) 10:19

6 days ago10:19

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In this episode, I discuss my journey from being a traditional Catholic to questioning and ultimately leaving the faith. I delve into the ambiguities and contradictions within Catholic teachings about sin and morality. Sharing personal stories, I highlight the lack of clarity on what actions might lead someone to hell. Using a Spider-Man meme analogy, I illustrate the contradictory views held by different Catholic authorities. I question the Church's claims of having definitive answers to moral issues, pointing out the inconsistencies and confusion among priests and church documents. Join me as I explore these complexities and talk about how my life has improved since moving away from fundamentalist Catholicism. 00:00 Introduction: A Personal Story 00:33 Questioning Catholic Teachings 00:56 About the Channel 01:18 Understanding Catholic Sins 03:20 The Spider-Man Meme: Illustrating Contradictions 04:43 The Confusion of Catholic Doctrine 05:55 The Gray Areas of Morality 07:59 The Subjectivity of Sin 09:24 Conclusion: Moving Beyond Traditional Catholicism To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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The False Promises of Traditional Catholicism - Inside Catholicism's Most Radical Sect 41:37

14 days ago41:37

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Join the community and join the group discussion on discord: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad As someone who was once a zealous traditional Catholic—praying daily rosaries, attending Latin Mass, and even discerning monastic life—I've since deconverted and now reflect critically on the movement from personal experience. This isn’t a theological takedown. It’s a candid, off-the-cuff reflection on what I saw inside the movement, why it appeals to so many (especially young people and converts), and the serious questions it raises about growth, retention, and cultural relevance. We’ll cover: Why the movement feels powerful but might not be sustainable, the illusion of rapid growth in Latin Mass parishes, why many kids raised traditionally still leave the Church, the tight link between American conservatism and traditional Catholicism, how convert zeal often idealizes tradition without fully understanding it, whether you’re deep in the trad world, newly curious, or trying to make sense of what’s happening in the Church today, I hope this video gives you something to think about. 00:00 Personal Background and Deconversion 00:48 Setting the Stage: Traditional Catholicism 02:26 The Appeal and Growth of the Movement 02:58 Why This Topic Matters 03:36 Personal Journey Through Traditional Catholicism 05:39 Lack of Data and Personal Observations 06:52 Illusion of Traditional Growth 10:18 Retention and Conversion Issues 12:24 Geographical and Political Context 16:27 Convert Dominated Movement 19:23 Mental Health and Traditionalism 21:57 Interpersonal Issues in the Movement 22:43 Surface Level Kindness and Parish Politics 25:21 Cult-like Dynamics and Isolation 26:58 Performative Holiness and Scrupulosity 29:58 Intellectualism and Apologetics 31:59 Misconceptions of Happiness and Fulfillment 39:44 Conclusion and Final Thoughts To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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Christians, What if Being Gay Were a Choice? 14:09

19 days ago14:09

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For years, I begged God to make me straight. I read every book, watched every lecture, and tried every method of "healing." But what if being queer isn’t something to fix? What if it's something you could choose — not out of rebellion, but out of love, honesty, and freedom? In this deeply personal episode, I reflect on my journey from internalized homophobia to joyful self-acceptance, from Catholic doctrine to queer community. We explore the concept of identity, the weight of “coming out,” and what it really means to choose love — without conditions. 00:00 – I Begged God to Make Me Straight 01:23 – Would I Choose to Be Straight Now? 02:07 – Growing Up Catholic and Closeted 03:01 – “I Am” vs. “I Experience” 04:13 – Why Christians Fear the Words “I Am Gay” 05:14 – Identity, Honesty, and the Label “Queer” 07:42 – The Fork in the Road: Queer vs. Christian Paths 10:09 – Why I Chose the Queer Path — And Found Life To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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Catholicism & Gay Marriage Debate: Natural Law, Ethics, and Legal Considerations in a Modern Society 1:36:52

19 days ago1:36:52

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I got to sit down with a professional catholic apologist to have perhaps the most comprehensive discussion on natural law & gay marriage. We originally planned an hour discussion on a number of topics but found enough to get into just on this issue - and then went for almost two hours. I enjoyed having a thoughtful, long-form discussion on such an emotional topic. Joe's liked talking enough with me that he'll be posted the entire conversation on his channel - so perhaps we'll have an influx of dialogues with other prominent apologists. (00:00) - Catholic Sexual Ethics and LGBTQ Rights (11:43) - Natural Law and Catholic Sexual Ethics (21:43) - Ethical Frameworks in LGBTQ Dialogue (26:10) - Moral Absolutes in Societal Legislation (33:21) - The Biological Basis of Marriage (41:30) - Defining Marriage and Parenting Rights (46:14) - State Interest in Marriage Potency (50:16) - Legal Recognitions of Marriage Potency (01:01:36) - Sexual Double Standards and Societal Morality (01:08:08) - Exploring Ethics in LGBTQ Relationships (01:19:28) - Same-Sex Marriage and Family Dynamics (01:23:51) - Exploring Marriage Potency and Legal Recognition To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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Catholic Sacraments Make No Logical Sense: Placebo, Ritual, and Boundary Maintenance 52:39

21 days ago52:39

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Are Catholic sacraments truly channels of divine grace—or just powerful human rituals? In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, we question the supernatural claims behind sacraments like baptism and marriage. With guest Colin, we explore their historical roots, psychological impact, and striking similarities to rituals in other cultures. From a botched baptism to the Church’s evolving rules, we unpack what these rites really mean and why they matter. Join us for a critical, respectful look at belief, ritual, and the fine line between faith and magic. (00:00) - Critique of Catholic Sacraments (07:35) - Deeper Understanding of Catholic Sacraments (19:49) - Exploring Catholic Sacraments and Belief (31:16) - Complexities of Catholic Sacraments (35:47) - Development of Catholic Sacraments (39:50) - Sacraments as Ritual Magic (44:52) - Significance of Catholic Rituals (51:11) - Religious Unity and Understanding To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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Catholic Apologist vs Ex-Catholic Atheist: Evidence for God, Morality, and Catholic Infallibility 1:22:50

29 days ago1:22:50

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Does faith require evidence, or is experience enough? In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with Noah from ⁨@Jesus_and_Whatnot⁩ to debate Catholicism, the role of suffering, religious disagreement, and whether faith can be rationally justified. We dive into the toughest questions: Does the Catholic Church have clear moral teachings, or is it all contradiction? Why does God allow suffering, and is it truly necessary? If the Pope is infallible, why do Catholics disagree on so much? What would it take for an atheist to believe in God again? 🔥 This discussion goes deep into Catholic apologetics, philosophical arguments, and the personal journeys that shape our beliefs. Whether you're Catholic, atheist, or somewhere in between, this episode will challenge your thinking! 00:00 – Intro & Guest Introduction 02:15 – What Led You to Question Catholicism? 08:30 – The Problem of Religious Disagreement 15:10 – Can the Church Be Unified When Even Priests Disagree? 21:45 – The Role of the Pope in Resolving Confusion 28:20 – Does Faith Require Evidence? 34:10 – Why Does God Allow Suffering? 41:00 – The Catholic Church’s Rules on Marriage & Morality 48:30 – If God is Real, Why Doesn’t He Make Himself Clear? 55:40 – Can the Church Even Define Mortal Sin? 1:02:25 – Why Doesn’t the Pope Answer Dubia (Doctrinal Questions)? 1:08:45 – What Would Convince an Atheist to Believe Again? 1:14:00 – Does Religion Make Life Better or Worse? 1:19:30 – Is Catholicism’s Appeal Just Suffering & Submission? 1:22:10 – Final Thoughts & Wrap-Up To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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5 Things That Would Make Me Believe in God - Ex-Catholic Atheist On Divine Hiddenness & Interstellar 15:38

6 weeks ago15:38

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After years of grappling with this question, I finally have an answer—thanks to Interstellar. This film unknowingly lays out the six conditions that could actually convince me a higher intelligence exists. But even if that were true… would it lead me to religion? Join me as I break down the philosophy, science, and religious implications behind Interstellar’s mysterious guiding force—and why it’s still a better "God" than any religious claim I’ve ever heard. 00:00 - My Journey from Catholicism to Atheism 00:24 - Interstellar and the Idea of God 01:17 - The Ghost in Interstellar: A Clear Communication 02:48 - The First Condition: Intelligent, Direct Communication 05:16 - The Second Condition: Supernatural but Measurable Events 06:12 - The Third Condition: Useful, Non-Trivial Knowledge 07:37 - The Problem of Divine Hiddenness 09:03 - Even If God Exists, Religion Still Fails 10:51 - The Leap from God to Religious Dogma To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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I Debated Michael Knowles on Jubilee - Yes, Gay Marriage CAN Exist - DEBUNKING Bad Conservative Philosophy 19:25

8 weeks ago19:25

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In this video, I break down my debate with Michael Knowles on Jubilee about the topic of same-sex marriage, philosophy, and conservative ideology. We go deep into metaphysics, logic, and how anti-LGBT arguments are structured to sound airtight—but fall apart under scrutiny. Michael and I come from the same religious movement, and I used to believe the same things he argues today. But as I studied philosophy and deconstructed my faith, I realized just how flimsy these arguments are. Stick with me as we explore nominalism vs. realism, the Texas sharpshooter fallacy, and why Michael’s claims on metaphysical reality don’t hold up. This video will equip you to counter these arguments in everyday conversations and protect our rights from bad-faith actors. 00:00 - Introduction: My Debate with Michael Knowles 02:30 - The Core Argument: Does Gay Marriage Exist? 06:45 - Michael’s First Mistake: The Realism vs. Nominalism Trap 11:20 - The Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy: Cherry-Picking History 15:55 - Why Metaphysics Can’t Define Legal Marriage 21:10 - The Logical Impossibility Fallacy (And Why It’s B.S.) 26:40 - Why Michael’s Argument is Ultimately Religious, Not Logical 32:15 - Final Thoughts: How to Counter These Arguments IRL To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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The WEIRD Reason The Catholic Church Wants To Control Your Sex Life - Trent Horn Debunked 31:47

9 weeks ago31:47

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Catholic apologist Trent Horn recently posted a video titled "The Sex Questions Almost No One Can Answer", where he attempts to justify Catholic sexual ethics using Natural Law philosophy. But are these arguments sound? Join my discord for $1/m: patreon.com/c/gayextrad As a former devout Catholic and apologist, I break down the flaws in this ideology and show how these outdated beliefs impact real people—through shame, control, and even political legislation. From ‘intrinsic evils’ to absurd rules on contraception, let's talk about why these arguments don't hold up and why you don’t have to buy into them. If you enjoy this content and want to support my work, join my Patreon for exclusive access to my Discord community of ex-Catholics, queer folks, and free thinkers. Let's have these conversations where they matter. Patreon: patreon.com/c/gayextrad Podcast: Intrinsically Ordered (Available on all major platforms) Socials: @GayExTrad 00:00 - A Catholic Apologist's "Unanswerable" Sex Question 01:35 - Why Non-Catholics Should Care 02:23 - The Weird Catholic Obsession with Sex 04:09 - Does Feeling Disgusted = Morally Wrong? 06:42 - The Catholic “Natural Law” Scam 08:32 - The Ethics of Consent vs. Catholic Control 11:07 - The Debate Trick Catholics Always Use 14:22 - Catholic Sexual Rules Are Wild 18:07 - Sex, Marriage & Fertility: The Catholic Hypocrisy 23:35 - The Rise of Catholic Theocracy in Politics 29:18 - Leaving Catholicism & Finding Freedom To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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Finding Meaning Without God: Running A Thousand Miles, Secular Buddhism, Addiction, and Trauma 1:34:57

10 weeks ago1:34:57

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In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with Jason—a long-time friend, ultramarathoner, and secular Buddhist—to explore life beyond dogma. We dive deep into questions of meaning, suffering, and personal transformation. Jason shares his journey from childhood trauma, addiction, and depression to healing, self-acceptance, and the liberating philosophy of secular Buddhism. We tackle the fear of leaving behind rigid belief systems, the reality of self-imposed suffering, and the beauty of finding your own path. Whether you’re deconstructing faith, seeking purpose, or just curious about running 200+ miles through the wilderness, this conversation is for you. 🔹 The illusion of certainty in religion 🔹 What it really means to "find yourself" 🔹 The power of suffering as a teacher 🔹 Ultramarathons as a metaphor for life 🔹 Reframing trauma and choosing a new narrative If you’ve ever questioned what’s next after faith—or just want to hear an incredible journey of resilience—this episode is a must-listen. Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction & Guest Introduction 01:18 – Why People Fear Leaving Religion 03:06 – What If Life Has No Meaning? 05:00 – Creating Meaning vs. Finding It 10:59 – The Role of Suffering in Growth 15:31 – How Religion Becomes a Coping Mechanism 17:30 – Hitting Rock Bottom: Alcoholism & Trauma 22:40 – Running From Pain vs. Facing It 29:09 – The Turning Point: Therapy & Healing 33:56 – How Trauma Affects the Brain 40:17 – The Difference Between Pain & Suffering 41:44 – Living in the Present: The Power of Mindfulness 47:10 – What Therapy is REALLY Like 50:48 – Running 250 Miles—Why Choose to Suffer? 54:55 – The Mental Side of Ultra-Endurance 59:46 – The Freedom of Letting Go 1:04:05 – Choosing Your Own Path & Building Community 1:10:22 – Finding Belonging Outside of Religion 1:12:03 – How to Start Living YOUR Life Today 1:28:18 – Final Thoughts & Takeaways To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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'just STOP being gay' - chastity speaker's desperate plea to end gay marriage (Jason Evert) 10:55

11 weeks ago10:55

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What if you're gay but don't want to be gay? Jason Evert has the perfect solution, just hate yourself. He gives us a 'third option' to homosexuality where you can hate yourself, but publicly. Someone please patent this man's genius methods and scientific tests of what marriage must include. But in all seriousness, Jason Evert is the Final Boss of catholic apologists who do nothing but create word salads to confuse people and pad church teaching. He's the one that started me down the catholic rabbit-hole of chastity speakers & how to deal with SSA, so I figured I'd give a humorous response to his Ascension Presents video. To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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Can Gay Men Become Catholic Priests? Gay Ex-Catholics Explain Recent Italian Bishops' Document 1:34:38

12 weeks ago1:34:38

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Why are young catholics sent to conversion therapy? Does the Catholic Church discriminate against gay men? In today's episode, I tell my story of being rejected from becoming a monk for being gay - or as they like to say: experience same-sex attraction. My co-hosts Colin (raised FSSP) and Ben (discerned a vocation) help me explain where the church stands on this issue. 00:00:00 - Introduction: Gay Men and the Priesthood Controversy 00:00:30 - The Reality: Many Priests Are Gay 00:00:50 - Personal Stories: Discerning While Gay 00:01:17 - Church Teachings and the 2005 Document 00:03:13 - The Italian Bishops' Conference: What Was Actually Said 00:05:52 - Deep-Seated vs. Transitory Homosexual Tendencies 00:15:27 - Vocational Struggles for Gay Catholics 00:25:35 - The Church’s Role in Conversion Therapy 00:36:14 - Linking Homosexuality to Abuse: A False Narrative (I got lazy about creating chapters beyond that mark, haha) To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.…

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