The Bird & The Bear - Session 85 - “Operation Paperbird”

Dimes In The Dozen

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On this session of, The Bird & The Bear … Our hosts, Sammy Ray and Daryl Lazer, present the first installment in their next deep dive series on the history of the CIA … Starting with a discussion about the CIA’s first official mission, Operation Paperclip … Content cited in this session: “Operation Paperclip: The Secret Recruitment,” Available on Tubi and PlutoTV - “Annie Jacobsen, ‘Operation Paperclip,’” presented by Politics and Prose on YouTube - “Joe Rogan | The Harsh Truths of Operation Paperclip (NASA & Nazi’s) w/ Annie Jacobsen” presented by JRE Clips on YouTube … Let’s sort through it together!

(0:00) - The session opens with our hosts explaining what lead them to do a deep dive on the history of Operation Paperclip - “It was hungry hungry hippos for Nazi war criminals.”

(11:07) - Our hosts discuss the documentary, “Operation Paperclip: The Secret Recruitment“ - “The world’s biggest superpower ever … The richest country in history … That has 1600 scientists … That know nothing other than how to create s**t to kill people.”

(17:50) - Our hosts breakdown how Germany exploited a loophole in the Treaty of Versailles - “Even to this day, how western governments still make bad, near sighted policy decisions that ignore the harm that emerging technology almost always creates.”

(30:00) - Our hosts focus their conversation on Wernher von Braun and comments he made about the use of V2 rockets in WW2 - “Who does that sound like? Who said, ‘There’s good people on both sides.’”

(36:37) - Our hosts tangent for a moment as Daryl explains the multiple decisions that lead Germany to defeat in WW2 - “Like, World War 2 will be a topic as long as humanity exists because it was such a turning point.”

(41:28) - Our hosts continue to discuss Wernher von Braun’s actions during WW2 and how he ended up in the hands of the Allied Forces - “I have never seen somebody suck America’s d**k so hard … Trying not to die.”

(52:26) - Our hosts discuss the ethics of brining Wernher von Braun and other Nazi scientists to America - “Tactically speaking, I think we made the better play … Ethically speaking, I think we made the worst play.”

(1:00:57) - Our hosts discuss Annie Jacobsen’s presentation of her book, “Operation Paperclip” hosted by Politics and Prose - “If your a civilian and you do something really impactful, heroic for the US government, this is the highest honor you can get … Highest f**king honor you can get … And we gave it to a Nazi.”

(1:15:31) - Our hosts criticize America for protecting the legacies of Nazi scientists brought over to the US in Operation Paperclip - “Why is it so hard for people to understand this? For liberals, to understand this … That people in power do evil things.”

(1:23:47) - Our hosts discuss a dark truth about the Nuremberg Trials before closing out the session with their final thoughts on Operation Paperclip - “I’d rather be the ancestors of this s**t than actually be living in those f**king moments because at least now I can try do what I can to correct the past.”