EdChoice Chats is the EdChoice team’s official podcast. EdChoice is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization dedicated to advancing educational choice as the best pathway to successful lives and a stronger society. We believe families, not bureaucrats, are best equipped to make K-12 schooling decisions for their children. Our team works at the state level to educate diverse audiences, train advocates and engage policymakers on the benefits of high-quality school choice programs. Listen in to st ...
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Ep. 3: Tough Questions with Robert Enlow: Do Parents Know What's Best for Their Kids?
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13:38In this episode of Tough Questions with Robert Enlow, we ask, "Do parents really know what's best for their kids?" Robert Enlow, President and CEO of EdChoice, discusses the critical role of parents in educational decision-making, challenging the myth that they cannot be trusted to make the best choices for their children.…
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Ep. 2: Tough Questions with Robert Enlow: What Happens to the Kids Left Behind?
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10:35Critics of school choice often argue that when some students leave for better opportunities, the ones who stay in traditional schools suffer. This episode of Tough Questions with Robert Enlow addresses whether that’s true—and what actually happens to those “left behind.”Oleh EdChoice
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State of Choice with Susan Pendergrass on the Supply Side of ESAs
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25:48In this episode of the State of Choice podcast, host Ed Tarnowski talks with Susan Pendergrass about the impact of universal choice in states like Arizona. They explore how universal choice is reshaping the educational landscape, the dynamics of supply and demand in rural areas, and the emergence of new educational models.…
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Ep. 1: Tough Questions with Robert Enlow: Does School Choice Actually Work?
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15:27In this episode of Tough Questions, we ask, "How do we know school choice actually works?" Robert Enlow, President and CEO of EdChoice, goes over the research, general skepticisms, and real-world examples of choice working.Oleh EdChoice
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EdChoice Chats: Fighting for Freedom to Learn with McCluskey and Shuls
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37:07On this edition of EdChoice Chats, host Mike McShane talks with Neal McCluskey and James Shuls, editors of the new book Fighting for Freedom to Learn: Examining America's Century-Old School Choice Movement.In this conversation they explore the historical context and evolution of the school choice movement in America, focusing on the contributions o…
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State of Choice with Michael Torres from Classic Learning Test
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26:31Oleh EdChoice
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EdChoice Chats: Rethinking ESA Policy Design with Katherine Bathgate
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45:06On this edition of EdChoice Chats, host Mike McShane talks with Katherine Bathgate, the CEO and founder of SchoolForward, about her new paper Rethinking ESA Policy Design: A new approach to financial accountability. They talk about the ideas in the paper, ESA policy, the risk of misuse and fraud in ESA programs, and so much more.…
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Ep. 6: Sunday School Choice featuring Chris Vas from the Herzog Foundation
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20:03In this episode of Sunday School Choice, host Nathan Sanders interviews Chris Vas from the Herzog Foundation to discuss the foundation’s mission of advancing Christ-centered K–12 education across the country. They explore the foundation’s professional development programs, its SchoolBox platform for launching new schools, and the impact of Missouri…
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State of Choice: 2025 Legislative Session in Review
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28:54In this episode of the State of Choice podcast, host Ed Tarnowski talks with Katherine Schulze, Nathan Sanders, and Aaron Gillham about all the exciting momentum across the states this legislative session.Of the eight states–Idaho, Indiana, Missouri, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Wyoming–that created or expanded choice progra…
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EdChoice Chats: Tackling School Choice Attacks with Robert Enlow
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13:51For decades, critics of school choice have warned that it would destroy public education. From claims that funding would evaporate to predictions of catastrophic harm to students, the rhetoric has been dramatic—and remarkably consistent.But is there any truth to these warnings?Robert Enlow, CEO of EdChoice, and Ed Tarnowski, author of the new repor…
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Ep. 5: Sunday School Choice featuring Dr. Shaunette Parker
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23:08In this episode of Sunday School Choice: Where Faith Meets Education Freedom, host Nathan Sanders is joined by Dr. Shaunette Parker, Senior Director of Partner Relations at the National School Choice Awareness Foundation and board chair of Second Baptist Christian Preparatory School in South Carolina. They discuss how church-based schools can uniqu…
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EdChoice Chats: School Choice is Racist and Other Myths with Michael Bindas
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36:41On this edition of EdChoice Chats, host Mike McShane, Director of National Research at EdChoice, talks with Michael Bindas, Senior Attorney at the Institute for Justice, about his new paper titled "School Choice is Racist and Other Myths."Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 4: Sunday School Choice featuring Troy McIntosh
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21:58In this episode of Sunday School Choice: Where Faith Meets Education Freedom, host Nathan Sanders is joined by Troy McIntosh from the Ohio Christian Education Network, a ministry of the Center for Christian Virtue, to talk about their School Starting Manual—a practical and faith-driven guide designed to help pastors and church leaders launch Christ…
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In this episode of the State of Choice podcast, host Ed Tarnowski talks with Katherine Schulze, Nathan Sanders, and Aaron Gillham about school choice updates across the US, including some very exciting news from Texas.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 3: Sunday School Choice featuring Shawn Peterson
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21:04On the latest episode of Sunday School Choice: Where Faith Meets Education Freedom, we talk with Shawn Peterson, President of Catholic Education Partners. We explore the powerful role Catholic education has played—and continues to play—in the United States, providing not just academic excellence, but a deeply rooted faith-based learning experience …
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Ep. 2: Sunday School Choice featuring Dr. Doug Richey
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20:35Dr. Doug Richey—a former pastor and Missouri state representative—shares his unique perspective on the intersection of faith, education, and public policy. With 26 years of pastoral ministry and six years in the Missouri House of Representatives, Ritchie offers a compelling case for why churches should engage in the school choice movement and how t…
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State of Choice with Trish Donahue of HopSkipDrive
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17:04On the latest episode of the State of Choice podcast, Ed Tarnowski and Katherine Schulze welcomed Trish Donahue, Senior Vice President of Legal and Policy at HopSkipDrive, to talk about a topic that's critical but often overlooked in school choice conversations: transportation.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 1: Sunday School Choice: Where Faith Meets Education Freedom
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32:58In the premiere episode of Sunday School Choice, we talk with Pastor Tom Kakadelis about what it means to be a church school pioneer in today’s education landscape.Oleh EdChoice
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EdChoice Chats: School Starter Checklist Rankings
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22:02In this edition of EdChoice Chats, John Kristof and Mike McShane talk about the new report School Starter Checklist Rankings; a compendium of regulations on private schools in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.Oleh EdChoice
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In this episode of State of Choice, host Ed Tarnowski talks with Katherine Munal, Aaron Gillham and Nathan Sanders about school choice updates in their states. The push for universal education choice continued to gain traction in March, with Wyoming becoming the latest state to adopt an Education Savings Account (ESA) program open to all students. …
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Ep. 422: EdChoice Chats: The Friedman Index
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23:28In this episode of EdChoice Chats, host Mike McShane talks with Ben Scafidi and Colyn Ritter about the 2025 EdChoice Friedman Index: All Students, All Options, All Dollars.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 420: Funded Eligibility Rankings
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22:33In this edition of EdChoice Chats, Mike McShane talks with Colyn Ritter and Cooper Conway about the 2025 Funded Eligibility rankings. Fully funded eligibility means that every student in a state with a choice program can also receive the resources needed to participate.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 421: State of Choice - February 2025
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33:05In this episode of State of Choice, host Ed Tarnowski talks with Katherine Munal, Aaron Gillham and Nathan Sanders about school choice updates in their states including some huge news in Tennessee!Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 418: EdChoice Chats EdChoice Share
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24:19In this episode of EdChoice Chats, host Mike McShane talks with Colyn Ritter and Robert Enlow about the 2025 EdChoice Share which tracks the proportion of K-12 students in every state that are enrolled in a private school choice program.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 419: State of Choice - January 2025
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30:51In this episode of State of Choice, host Ed Tarnowski talks with Patricia Rucker, a state senator serving West Virginia's 16th district, and the national chair of the American Legislative Exchange Council. She shares her inspiring journey as a first-generation American from Venezuela, her experiences as a teacher and homeschool parent, and her lead…
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Ep. 417: State of Choice - December 2024
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36:51Ep. 417: State of Choice - December 2024 by EdChoiceOleh EdChoice
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Ep. 416: State of Choice - Post Election 2024
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26:18In this episode of State of Choice, host Ed Tarnowski talks with Katherine Schultz, Nathan Sanders, and Aaron Gillham about state election results and how they may impact the state of choice.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 415: State of Choice - August 2024
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39:38In this episode of State of Choice, host Ed Tarnowski talks with Dr. Vance Ginn, chief economist at Pelican Institute for Public Policy and founder and president of Ginn Economic Consulting.Also featuring: Katherine Munal, Policy & Advocacy Director, and Joey Magaña, Vice President of Policy and Advocacy.…
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Ep. 414: State of Choice - June 2024
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18:19In this episode of State of Choice, Ed Tarnowski is announced as the new host of the podcast, the Policy & Advocacy Team gives its monthly state update, and each team member participates in the first segment of ed freedom fallacies.Also featuring: Caitlin Lee, Director of Policy & Implementation; Katherine Munal, Policy & Advocacy Director; and Aar…
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Ep. 413: Getting Education Right with Lindsay Fryer
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31:14In this episode of EdChoice Chats, longtime Hill staffer and education policy expert Lindsay Fryer talks with Mike McShane and Rick Hess about the state of American higher education, the federal government’s role in it, and what is going on with FAFSA.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 412: Getting Education Right with Patrick Brown
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37:06In this episode of EdChoice Chats, host Mike McShane talks with family policy expert Patrick Brown about fertility rates, childcare policy, and protecting children online.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 411: Rethinking Brown 70 Years Later
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50:40In this episode of EdChoice Chats, host Dorian McCarroll talks with Virginia Walden Ford, Howard Fuller, Sekou Biddle, and Gerard Robinson on the 70th anniversary of the landmark decision of Brown v Board of Education, and how the education system is still impacted by it today.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 410: Getting Education Right with Jonathan Pidluzny
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34:00In this episode of EdChoice Chats, host Mike McShane talks with Jon Pidluzny, Director of Higher Education Reform at America First Policy Institute about higher education. They talk about whether the US higher education system is still the best in the world, the complex issues of student loans, ballooning education costs, and so much more.…
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Ep. 409: Getting Education Right with Dr. Katie Jenner
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37:21Indiana's first Secretary of Education, Dr. Katie Jenner, talks with EdChoice's Mike McShane on how she's trying to get education right with her efforts in teacher recruitment, strategic measures for student success and more.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 408: Introducing the Homeschool Hub - with Angela Watson
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29:38In this episode of EdChoice Chats, Mike McShane talks with Angela Watson, senior research fellow at the Johns Hopkins Institute for Education Policy, about homeschooling research. They also talk about her new resource, the Homeschool Hub.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 407: State of Choice - May 2024
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12:14In this May episode of “State of Choice” hosted by the EdChoice Policy and Advocacy team, we talk about school choice across the states and provide updates on school choice legislation.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 406: State of Choice - April 2024
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21:00In this April episode of “State of Choice” hosted by the EdChoice Policy and Advocacy team, we talk about school choice across the states and provide updates on school choice legislation.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 405: Polling Perspective Podcast - Q1 2024
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33:51We go over our monthly polling results for the last few months and highlight all the most interesting trends and data. And shocker! Teens love their cellphones!Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 404: State of Choice - March 2024
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16:24In this episode of “State of Choice” hosted by the EdChoice Policy and Advocacy team, we talk about how Alabama passed landmark legislation advancing choice in the state. Plus, we highlight our favorite advocates in the choice movement for Women’s History Month.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 403: Beyond the Test: Redefining Success in Education
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30:08In this edition of EdChoice Chats, Robert Enlow, CEO and President of EdChoice, talks with Lindsey Burke, from the Heritage Foundation, and Macke Raymond, from the Hoover Institution.Oleh EdChoice
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In this edition of EdChoice Chats, Robert Enlow, CEO and President of EdChoice, talks with Curtis Valentine co-director of the Reinventing America Schools Project at the Progressive Policy Institute. They discuss the Rosenwald Schools and a number of other topics including how education was formed and started, our current public education system an…
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Ep. 401: State Updates - February 2024
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46:25The EdChoice state team gives us a summary of all the recent happenings in the states. Find out more in the podcast!Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 400: Black History Month Edition
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39:00For this episode of EdChoice Chats we have a special edition celebrating Black History Month where we talk about school choice in communities of color and the ever-growing support for it.Oleh EdChoice
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In this edition of EdChoice Chats, host Mike McShane is joined by John Kristof and Alli Aldis to talk about EdChoice's monthly and semi-annual polling and what it reveals about the state of education in the United States.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 398: How States Protect Funding for K-12 Public Schools
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27:53In this episode of EdChoice Chats host Marty Lueken digs into his new report which explores hold harmless funding; declining enrollment protections and funding guarantees. Guests James Shuls and Aaron Smith join.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 397: Monthly Tracker - October 2023
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23:22In this edition of EdChoice Chats, host Mike McShane talks with Alli Aldis and John Kristof about October's monthly polling results.We asked a range of questions focused on K-12 education, including our usual monitoring of public opinion toward school choice options. In this month’s poll, we also introduced new questions about gifted academic progr…
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Ep. 396: The ABCs of School Choice - 2024 Edition
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19:59EdChoice CEO Robert Enlow talks with Colyn Ritter and Marc LeBlond about the 2024 edition of The ABCs of School Choice.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 395: Surveying Teachers - Fall 2023
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28:32On this edition of EdChoice Chats, host Mike McShane talks with Colyn Ritter and John Kristof about the recent EdChoice teacher polling. Topics including students’ social media use, absenteeism, classroom disruptions, how likely they are to recommend their profession, and more.Oleh EdChoice
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Ep. 394: What's Up with Diverse Charter School Coalition
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27:07In this edition of EdChoice Chats, host Mike McShane talks with Sonia Park, executive director of the Diverse Charter School Coalition. McShane and Park talk about what they are trying to achieve, the actual practices that go on in these diverse by design charter schools, and also the public policy that's necessary for them to start and grow, and b…
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Ep. 393: Monthly Tracker - September 2023
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24:15In this edition of EdChoice Chats, Mike McShane talks with Alli Aldis and John Kristof about the September 2023 monthly polling data. What concerns are at the forefront of parents’ minds in these early days of the 2023-24 academic year? The first challenge for today’s school parents may be keeping students in the classroom and off their phones.…
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