Ep. 5: Does Sin Make Civil Government Necessary?

The Reformed Libertarians Podcast

A discussion of the main points of Kerry Baldwin's article on human sinfulness and the question of the state's necessity for civil governance. The fact that people are sinners and there will always be crime is shown to be not a reason that states are necessary, but rather a reason for stateless (non-monopolistic) civil governance.

https://reformedlibertarians.com/005

00:00 start

00:32 episode description article discussed: https://libertarianchristians.com/2018/03/28/sinful-nature-question-states-necessity/

01:06 overview of 4-part series Listen to episode 03 on first article concerning law and order and the question of the legitimacy of civil governance: https://reformedlibertarians.com/003

01:27 article preface and summary

03:02 Federalist Paper 51: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed51.asp

04:40 Who will watch the watchmen? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F

05:02 original sin and total depravity Westminster Confession chapter 6: https://opc.org/wcf.html#Chapter_06 audio on original sin: https://renewingyourmind.org/2022/02/04/original-sin video on total depravity: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/what-is-reformed-theology/total-depravity-part-1

06:17 introductory book about the Reformed view of the Bible's teaching about salvation: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0801014212?tag=kerrybaldwin-20

06:34 Robert Higgs' article on non-necessity of the state "If Men Were Angels": https://mises.org/library/if-men-were-angels-basic-analytics-state-versus-self-government excerpt from article: https://mises.org/library/if-men-were-angels video presentation "The State Is Too Dangerous To Tolerate": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RILDjo4EXV8&list=PLwrDNUO5MDu95jfsFdfN2oe8vXQ6Cma-h&index=12

09:02 US govt says police have no duty to protect you https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again

09:35 in principle, if we are at risk and need protection because people are sinners, then granting monopoly power to any group of sinners is the absolute worst thing we could do

10:33 R.J. Rummel on 20th century democide (murder by the state) https://hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

12:48 some seem willfully naive about what states really are. Anatomy Of The State by Murry Rothbard audiobook https://mises.org/library/anatomy-state-audiobook

13:50 conclusion Stateless civil governance takes the principles of limited government to their most consistent and prudential conclusion The idea of limiting the monopoly state is unrealistic

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